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  • tips/tricks

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    HOTSHOT IIIH

    @duxky229 Supermoto is an interesting concept but also quite a major change to the bike; if you're just getting started with DTRs it makes sense to get what you have as good as it can possibly be before you start modding. Avon TrailRiders in the recommended sizes on the stock wheels give plenty of grip on tarmac and are still blocky enough for light off-roading when it's bone dry. Replace inner tubes and rim tapes. Michelin Trackers and rim locks if you want to get serious on dirt.

    Tips and tricks; copied and pasted as people ask the same questions over and over again on Facebook etc. so I typed them out in a Word document in the end. Hope some of these help:

    High rpm misfire? HT lead
    Possibly could be the HT lead as they break own on DTRs causing this exact problem. The actual coil is very good quality so it's well worth fitting a new lead; you can cut off the very top of the coil's outer case where the lead pushes in with a junior hacksaw, pull out the old lead and solder the new one to the coil output for a really good connection. Then re-waterproof using Shoe Goo and electrical tape. Looks messy but no-one can see it under the tank, and you should notice a performance increase as the leads deteriorate over time. Much better option than just buying a new pattern coil as these often have different specs to OEM which can cause other issues. Fit a new NGK cap while you're there, try to get the type that's moulded into a single piece of rubber.
    I had a high-rpm misfire once, after trying everything else we replaced the HT lead in the manner described above which took around 1 hour on a summer's day so the engine was neither stone cold nor up to operating temperature when I took it for a test ride. It wheelied out of the driveway without me even trying, and I couldn't believe how much better the performance was at all engine speeds. Made a big impression on me as I was 17 at the time and I'd spent practically a weekend trying to fix the bike and getting nowhere.

    Don’t gut stock pipe
    Don’t gut the stock pipe. The DT125R/DT200R styling was based on the 1988 YZ250 and the expansion chamber is about the same physical size. Within that there was enough space for an appropriately-sized, functioning expansion chamber for a 125cc road/trail bike and enough noise suppression material for the bike to pass a noise test (whereas the YZ is for closed-course competition which is why it has a single-skin racing exhaust). If you chop it open with an angle grinder and rip all that stuff out, it will not only sound like a wasp in a tin can but also you’ll probably lose power as you no longer have an expansion chamber which matches the porting/carb/crankcase volume etc. By all means take the washer out of the header pipe but the stock pipe and silencer aren’t restrictive besides that; I’ve owned several full power French import DT125Rs which have all revved to 10k+ rpm with the stock pipe. In fact in one case I bolted on a DEP silencer and the bike immediately refused to rev higher than 9k; this was cured by refitting the stock silencer.

    Rear caliper pattern seals leak
    Buy a genuine piston/seal kit from Fowlers. I bought an eBay rear caliper rebuild kit once, cleaned the caliper completely including the seal grooves, put it together and bled it and there was a small dribble of brake fluid on the back of the pad on the piston side. Wiped it off and it came back several times, so I cleaned up the (old) genuine piston/seals and put them back in as I wanted to go for a ride that evening and it cured it, no issues for a couple of months whereupon I bought new genuine ones. Compared the seals, the eBay kit seals are slightly smaller in cross-section than genuine which is what causes them to leak.

    HEL braided hoses make the best of the stock brakes and it's well worth reconditioning master cylinders as well; I always had good results with genuine front and Yambits rear.

    Enduro/Greenlaning preparation
    Run fork gaiters if you want acceptable fork seal life; Polisport ones are very good but you have to enlarge the vent holes at the bottom with a leather punch to stop them ballooning under full travel. If you weigh any more than 140lbs, XT600 fork springs and 500cc per leg 15W oil makes the bike jump a lot better (i.e it actually can jump without bottoming everywhere) and a YSS rear shock can be adjusted to match the fork setup (I had to run mine with +16mm preload over stock and rebound on position 29 out of 30). Chain; run 40-50mm free play or using all the rear travel will destroy the bearing behind the front sprocket. An O-ring chain takes an extra 0.5bhp to turn; when you're working with YZ85 power/XR600 weight you'll notice this so run a D.I.D 428HD and just keep degreasing and re-lubing it after every ride. Get a load of spare D.I.D split links the correct size/spec for like £1 each and just use a new one every time the chain has to be removed. Get a decent grease gun and re-lube all rear suspension bearings after every off-road ride/jet wash. Fit a grease nipple in the headstock and seal up the slot in the stem for the steering lock with heat shrink tube and cable ties. Get 3-4 Yambits air filter elements and devise a system for cleaning and re-oiling them so you can quickly fit a fresh one. Wash them in petrol (wear gloves) and use foam filter oil. Yamaha did a very poor job of gluing the carb-to-airbox rubber when the DTR was new and being downstream of the air filter, this will allow the motor to suck dirt. Seal this up using a petrol- and oil-resistant glue such as Seal-All (the airbox needs to come out to make a proper job of this so do it at the same time as replacing the shock). Likewise replace the 5mm air filter foam (eBay) on the back of the element holder where it slides into the airbox using more Seal-All. Run genuine throttle and clutch cables; these are pricey but good quality, and those £12 pattern throttle cables are responsible for a lot of DTR engine meltdowns (the OEM cable automatically synchronises the carb and oil pump on pre-’99 bikes). Keep the Autolube unless you want to waste time rejetting and run a good quality synthetic two-stroke oil (JASO FD is the Japanese industry standard for racing two-stroke oil so look out for this, doesn’t have to be expensive, I used to run Exol which is about £30 for 5 litres). Lube all cables after every jet wash; this more than anything delivers striking cobra responsiveness and a cable oiler costs £5 from Yambits. The stock pipe is fine but if you want an aftermarket one, run a Tecno (same as Athena but half the price) expansion chamber; this is a good mid-range pipe and makes the bike pull strongly from 5k rpm which is more useful off-road than screaming top-end. DEP silencer fits the Tecno well. Run a 100/80W P45T halogen bulb in the stock headlight; Yamaha cheaped out and fitted a 45/40W candle from new but the actual light is the same unit as 900cc+ Yamaha superbikes of the day and the DTR's AC lighting means high wattage bulbs won't flatten the battery. This lights up the trails like a rally car. Make your own powervalve cables from MTB gear cables so you can re-lube them in situ https://dt125r.co.uk/post/28693

    Carb Warmer Hoses
    As others have said it doesn’t make any difference which hose goes where, and they’re not really needed in a country like the UK with mild winters. However they also serve another purpose which is to make the cooling system self-bleeding when refilling as the one on the thermostat housing comes out above the actual thermostat, so all you have to do is fill the radiator slowly and you end up with no trapped air (this is why bikes like the 350LC and a lot of MX bikes have bleed bolts on the head and barrel etc.). So it’s useful to just run a single hose from one banjo straight to the other and bypass the carb; you still retain the self-bleeding cooling system but it’s a lot easier to get the carb off for cleaning, jetting and float height changes etc.

  • So Close!...

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    @SpookDog Mate, that's a mental amount of riding!

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    @HOTSHOT-III said in Stevie’s French '98, Mid-90's WR/YZ/DT (An idiotproof guide to building your own DTR):

    @Stevie-Wonder “The vacuum bleeder could be sucking air down the bleed nipple threads and into the hole at the bottom of the bleed nipple. I'd forgotten this but I once tried sucking the fluid out with a syringe and it did this, took me a long time to figure out.”

    Ahh! I was starting to assume that something wasn’t quite right to be honest, having managed to bleed my brakes myself with no problems I thought it’s only fair to assume it must be getting air in somewhere else. I’d just thought that the seal from the hose to nipple wasn’t enough for the Vacuum against it.

    “You can improve this and prevent corroded/snapped bleed nipples by liberally applying copper grease to the threads when you install them. Put a fat O-ring between the caliper body and 8mm hex head with a bit more copper grease when you've finished bleeding as well and they'll crack off with no drama in two years' time.”

    That’s a pretty simple fix. Braided lines are pretty cheap for the DT/WR and now I’m confident that I’ve got the hang of bleeding brakes I was thinking of getting some so I’ll take advantage of being able to do that whilst the hoses are off. Only trouble is what colour do I pick? I was thinking blue or orange to match the decal.

    “Couldn't help noticing your stock pipe/DEP silencer joint above the battery; is it sealing?”

    If I remember correctly, the outer diameter of it is smaller than that of the dep back box and I’ve just left it there for the sake of it however I did get lucky with my dep as it’s a very tight fit (i understand Dep’s are not always the best like that) so I’ve never really had any trouble. Even when I was running the Dep expansion chamber it was such a tight fit the worst I got was a little bit of black soot on the battery tray.

    great bit of kit to be honest, for the money I’m very impressed. Cheers for the heads up I’ll be buying one. I’ve been doing a bit of an inventory check with my tool box and noticed a lot of bits and bobs missing.

    Despite having a family of mechanics I never got taught about the different tools, drives etc etc so I’ve ended up with a lot of mismatch bits and incomplete sets. Sometimes it feels like I spend more time trying to find the right tool then I ever do working 😂

    Having ADHD and Asperger’s is a killer in that respect though, you put something down you was just using to do something and instantly forget what you’ve done with it and if it’s anywhere but it’s usual place I end up having to do a 15 minute search everywhere as apparently I like hiding things from myself 😂. Hopefully I’m not the only one who does this though.

    I have found some magnetic socket organisers which go on the side of my toolbox, since having them I’ve spent a lot less time searching for stuff and the fact I can just press the ratchet into the socket and quick change them as they’re stuck on the outside is really convenient

    Jake who I bought the guides etc from asked me how I’m doing for suspension/ forks, unfortunately though I just don’t have the spare cash to buy them. Plus they’re one of those things where as much as I’d love to buy them and store them in the loft I know the same will only happen again. Sourcing another pair would definitely be easier than re-chroming them.

    I'm not certain but I think those stanchions unscrew from the wheel/brake bosses (they'll need to for chroming). I once changed one on a GSX-R400SP GK76A (I had bent forks but wanted to retain the SP rebound adjuster and could only find standard forks at the breakers) and it required a lot of heat to get it to move, I think it was held in with some kind of industrial strength Loctite. Once undone there was a O-ring to seal the joint and a thin shim underneath the stanchion. I reassembled it with a new O-ring and loads of JB Weld but someone somewhere will know the torque setting for this, maybe fire off a few emails to some of the tuning shops in the States like Pro Circuit etc.?

    Understand your point about slight oiling protecting the fork stanchions but it can also "protect" your front brake and for this reason an alert MOT tester will fail you for pitted forks. A bit of GT85 on a rag after every rain/mud ride and after washing should stop the corrosion and give your seals an easier life.

    With the alloy swingarm, I’ve already got a DT200WR swingarm and went through a total ball ache trying to find out what it was (info for the DT200WR is nearly always in Japanese and the only real English speaking community for them is in Costa Rica). The person that sold it listed it as DT/Yamaha swingarm and said he was going to use it for his DT. Only issue is before selling it he took it upon himself to raw it all so it needs sandblasting and powder coating. Sounds daft but I love the look of it, by comparison to the WR200 which uses the snail chain adjusters the DT200WR uses a more modern axle block style.

    Whilst the snail adjusters are very practical and simple to use. I wanna give the ‘ole DT a slightly updated feel. Like a 90’s/00’s OEM+/Factory works type
    of vibe.

    “Definitely agree messing about with stuff like this gives a greater high than going out and getting wasted with the "In Crowd". Sat here writing this on a Friday night after spending all day on a wheel build and life feels pretty agreeable”

    Agreed. I’ve spent so much money over the years doing just that and now all that money I would’ve been spending goes on bikes.

    Speaking of wheels, I think a set of sumo’s and replacing the excel 19” with an excel 18” is what I’ll do next.

    A set of DTX wheels I think is my best option as then I can still have a working speedo, if I laced 17” wheels to the standard WR hub the reading would be wayyy out and as far as I know no one makes a converter for when this happens.

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    @FloWolF

    Apart from a lot of shame and embarrassment?

    I had to call my (lovely!) Siss to bring out some petrol cans, empty the tank on the side of the road, nip to the garage and refill the tank. Started second kick.
    The massive plumes of white smoke cleared up in less that a klick! 🙂

    It was a place I’d never been to before and all the hoses were black (BP?) I saw the ‘supreme’ and fuxed up!

    But it was my fault, not the bike. If anything it was a trooper for getting me 2 miles down the (unwalkable because of flyovers) dual carriageway before ‘puffing’ out!
    I use my mirrors more now! 😜 💨💨💨

  • lights not working since new stator

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    @watersbarry20

    Is it second hand? Try putting the old one back on to check the lights are working…

    Did you cure your misfires?…

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    @FloWolF

    Once you start getting crap in the carb, it can only come through the tank. I can’t run my bike for any length of time without an inline filter. Getting a decent quality small one is the problem…

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    @HOTSHOT-III

    Thanks.

    Well that's not on the cards at the moment, I spent all my funds buying the bike and getting it on the road heheheh.

    I'll likely see if I can borrow my buddy's garage, prop it up in there and do the full tank and plastic off job to get it off then I can clean it and refit more at my leisure. Will also give me chance to drain the tank and check the tap filter, but to be honest 32 years old or not, this hasn't been used much and appears well looked after so that's probably all quite clean.

    I used to love doing shit like this, I'd dive right into an engine blind/no books or internet and tear it down and rebuild with basic tools, but I'm fooked now, body rather beat and enthusiasm almost dead and buried, heheh.

    Cheers again!

  • cdi dodgy

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    @SpookDog Hey bud it was done and tested a long time ago. I haven't updated my thread,I have progress but I need one more thing to clean and provably will post 100 success in fixing.

  • Headlight spring

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    @Hybrid_Theory01

    As long as it’s on!…

  • Grey oil and bike wont start..

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    @watersbarry20
    Hi bud!…

    Water pump seal for grey oil. Crank seal for black smoke (coolant is white) If the plugs are fouling up I’d imagine it’s the seal like you replaced. It’s all to easy to damage the seal while fitting. Especially if using a screwdriver! Only the very outer 1mm can take lite taps, anything inside of that will destroy the seal. One of the ‘rings’ on the collar is supposed to be there. It’s what the lip of the seal fits into. There’s often another where it’s been turned around.
    Check your radiator level. Water in the oil can only come from the pump seal. They can be a bitch to remove and replace…

    PS What’s a ‘left canny’?!…

  • Dt125r harness loom

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    @Carl-Kennedy

    There’s someone in Portland Dorset who makes looms for just over £200. I’ll dig out a link…

    Here’s one:
    CLICK ME

    Here’s the one. You’ll have to contact him about the year tho

    Click Me

  • Tail Tidy

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    That's great, many thanks 🙂

  • Project DTZr.....a DT125R love story

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    I took 2 weeks off and rains heavily everyday and have no shed in the yard to work, unbelievable.2 days ago that had only clouds I was fixing car breakdown.

  • Dtr 125 1997 Rebuild/Restoration

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    @Mr-Shadi

    Yeah, i got that. That was me being funny 🤕 …
    It’s wet here. Fukin wet…

  • Dt 125 r,re,e?

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    @crm2090

    Did you try leaving it under tension? Then heating the swing arm ‘knuckles’ either side? The chances are it’s going to be the bushes inside seized to the bolt. Either that or the bolt ballon’s with rust in the centre were it passes through the engine, thought that would allow some small movement…

    Hotshot is spot on. A good solid frame is unicorn shit nowadays. You can get cases (with numbers 😜) and swingarms all the time…

  • Bogging out

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    Thanks for the replies will look at it at let you know

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  • Made a carbon fiber chain cover

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  • Made passenger footrests

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    Thanks!

    I'll be ordering a small piece of CFRP prepreg to form a chain guard next. I found a place that sell "test specimens" that just so happen to be exactly the size I need, for about £6.

  • Diferent autolube covers

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    @Hybrid_Theory01 the early ones up to 1998 had the 'shell' like cover. 98 on was the flat cover due to having a different oil pump. For this reason there is 2 different throttle cables available.