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  • S SpookDog

    @erion1

    Bit of piston ‘scoosh’ is to expected in that condition 🙂

    The crank turned real smoothly as well? No little stops or notchyness?

    Bud! What are the first 3 numerics after the * on your engine and frame? If you let us know we can find out what year and model you have. It’s especially important when it comes to electrics…

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    erion1
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    @SpookDog yeah it was smooth only when the piston was going up it got harder to rotate from little bit of compresion as i didn't remove the whole cylinder out,
    the frame is a 4DK-006706 the engine is the same

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    • MadGyverM MadGyver

      @erion1 If you have the original brake hoses,they say manufacture date,99% of the time it's the same year the bike came out of the factory. So with the first 3 alphanumeric's that @SpookDog said and the year of the hose you have the model/year of the bike

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      erion1
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      @MadGyver on the front brake hose it is repeated many times it writes DOT NCRN 12/91 1/8 HL im guessing that 12/91 refers to december 1991 maybe ?

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        @MadGyver on the front brake hose it is repeated many times it writes DOT NCRN 12/91 1/8 HL im guessing that 12/91 refers to december 1991 maybe ?

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        SpookDog
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        @erion1

        That would tie in right. You have the 3 wire servo fitted to your bike don’t you?…
        So it’s pre- 96 I think…

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        • S SpookDog

          @erion1

          That would tie in right. You have the 3 wire servo fitted to your bike don’t you?…
          So it’s pre- 96 I think…

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          erion1
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          @SpookDog yeah its a 3wire

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          • S SpookDog

            @erion1

            That would tie in right. You have the 3 wire servo fitted to your bike don’t you?…
            So it’s pre- 96 I think…

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            erion1
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            @SpookDog i got a top end athena gasket kit but since i have to rebore to 57mm bore will it be a problem ?

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            • E erion1

              @SpookDog i got a top end athena gasket kit but since i have to rebore to 57mm bore will it be a problem ?

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              SpookDog
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              @erion1

              No, I have a 58 I use (about 140cc)

              You do have to check it doesn’t touch the power valve when it gets to a certain size…

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              • S SpookDog

                @erion1

                No, I have a 58 I use (about 140cc)

                You do have to check it doesn’t touch the power valve when it gets to a certain size…

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                erion1
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                @SpookDog yeah i know about power valve, i was just thinking would the top end gasket be smaller than the barrel but it should be fine

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                • E erion1

                  @SpookDog yeah i know about power valve, i was just thinking would the top end gasket be smaller than the barrel but it should be fine

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                  SpookDog
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                  @erion1

                  It will be…

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                  • S SpookDog

                    @erion1

                    It will be…

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                    erion1
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                    @SpookDog yo one last thing i made a video today of kicking the bike over just so you can hear the bike make that friction noise to know if the crank is good, idk maybe just my stress is making me hear it or idk here is the vid https://imgur.com/gallery/HRIy3mb

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                    • E erion1

                      @SpookDog yo one last thing i made a video today of kicking the bike over just so you can hear the bike make that friction noise to know if the crank is good, idk maybe just my stress is making me hear it or idk here is the vid https://imgur.com/gallery/HRIy3mb

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                      SpookDog
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                      @erion1

                      Can’t hear anything over the exhaust! You’ll have to do it turning the stator by hand…

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                      • S SpookDog

                        @erion1

                        Can’t hear anything over the exhaust! You’ll have to do it turning the stator by hand…

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                        erion1
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                        @SpookDog no i mean the noise that it makes the first 3times that i kick it or maybe its just the normal sound the bike makes when turned over, as for when its runing it doesn't make any noise

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                          MadGyver
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                          @erion1 Have you done a compression test,if something is wrong with the piston or piston rings it should show low compression.

                          I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                          • E erion1

                            @SpookDog no i mean the noise that it makes the first 3times that i kick it or maybe its just the normal sound the bike makes when turned over, as for when its runing it doesn't make any noise

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                            SpookDog
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                            @erion1

                            I can’t tell bud. Really need to check it without the barrel and piston on it…

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                            • MadGyverM MadGyver

                              @erion1 Have you done a compression test,if something is wrong with the piston or piston rings it should show low compression.

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                              erion1
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                              @MadGyver yeah it has low compression its easy to kick and had blow by when i opened it, the bike is waiting for a rebuid i just got a top end athena gasket today i will get a piston in 2-3 weeks and i will send the barrel for a rebore to 57mm im just trying to check if the crank bearings are in good condition as my bike drank coolant before and i was thinking it could of caused corrosion in the bearings and that could sent my whole engine to the moon

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                              • S SpookDog

                                @erion1

                                I can’t tell bud. Really need to check it without the barrel and piston on it…

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                                erion1
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                                @SpookDog i will make a vid when i open it up, but all im saying is if that noise is normal i think it comes from crank rotating and the pistons it should be normal as things move there and make friction. anyways i will make a video when i open it up again and send a video and we can discuss a bit more acurately

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                                  MadGyver
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                                  @erion1 After you remove the top end,only an experienced one can tell you if it's ok the bottom end at a 90%.
                                  To be sure 100% you have to dismantle the engine.
                                  When rebuilding,changed conrod just in case,because 0f 56k km's of the engine.bearings still had life and the con-rod was so good that a friend with a machinery shop checked for tolerances and told me to keep it for backup with a new set of bearings.
                                  I just couldn't gamble with a top end rebuild of an unknown internals condition.Piston condition was way better than yours,still have it.
                                  You get me what I mean. No video/sound recording can replace that.

                                  I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                                    @erion1 After you remove the top end,only an experienced one can tell you if it's ok the bottom end at a 90%.
                                    To be sure 100% you have to dismantle the engine.
                                    When rebuilding,changed conrod just in case,because 0f 56k km's of the engine.bearings still had life and the con-rod was so good that a friend with a machinery shop checked for tolerances and told me to keep it for backup with a new set of bearings.
                                    I just couldn't gamble with a top end rebuild of an unknown internals condition.Piston condition was way better than yours,still have it.
                                    You get me what I mean. No video/sound recording can replace that.

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                                    erion1
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                                    @MadGyver yeah i get what you mean, im not woired that much about the crank i just know that it used to loose my coolant and i know that i drove it everyday and i dont think water could of stayed in the engine to cause corrosion, based on my thinking(haha) i just imagine that the water evaporated from the crank everytime i ran the bike

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                                      MadGyver
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                                      @erion1 And probably was compromising the oil lubrication properties along the evaporation. And it's not a 4T to have an a lot oil, but even then I wouldn't want to have coolant in my oil.

                                      I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                                      • E erion1

                                        @MadGyver yeah i get what you mean, im not woired that much about the crank i just know that it used to loose my coolant and i know that i drove it everyday and i dont think water could of stayed in the engine to cause corrosion, based on my thinking(haha) i just imagine that the water evaporated from the crank everytime i ran the bike

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                                        SpookDog
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                                        @erion1

                                        In my experience with blown head gaskets. The coolant doesn’t rust the bearings or the crank. As long as it hasn’t been too long since it ran and it’s all well lubricated with 2T in the crankcase , it should be fine.
                                        Just keep it lubed and buttoned up till you send off the barrel for reboring.

                                        If I’d had a piston disintegrate I’d at least want to flush out the bottom end with clean fuel and oil. Turn it upside down, ect…

                                        I get the impression that you don’t want to remove the engine from the frame tho?…

                                        I understand that we don’t all look at a situation in the same way. Not everyone wants to remove the lump and split the casings.
                                        As long as you clean up the gasket mating surfaces, ect, there’s a good chance that you can just put a new top end on and be fine. It’s mostly about preparation and not re-using head gaskets! 😜 …

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                                          Hark_Ptooie
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                                          Just a quick dumb question: when you order pistons they have a size listed such as ø56.5 mm.

                                          Is that the diameter of the piston, or the cylinder hole it is supposed to go in?

                                          If it is the diameter of the piston as I suspect, how much larger should the cylinder diameter be?

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