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  • S SpookDog
    8 Dec 2022, 19:10

    @Scootjockey

    Cheers bud! It’s good to know these things. I’d love to have a proper good gurn at a righteous standard 88 bike just so I can see & list all the bits I’m missing. One of the many previous boners deleted the rear foot peg mounting holes, as well as I don’t know what else! 😐
    There are loads of bits n bobs I’d like to get, rear reservoir ‘lock’ cap, same for rad cap, oil bottle. Original reusable cable/frame ties, CDI rubber mount, & on & on&on…

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    Scootjockey
    wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 22:18 last edited by
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    @SpookDog
    Try WWW.ALEADO.COM
    it’s a Japanese broker a bit like eBay, but you give them the money open an account bid on the item and the seller sends it to them and they forward it on to you in the UK. Usually see older better parts for sale. There not always cheap but you find they are better condition. Also change your country setting on eBay if you use that… always find parts are better from France and Germany !

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      203675742903 On eBay is that what your looking for ?

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        primal carnage
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          SpookDog
          wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 17:43 last edited by
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          Head is still leaking but very slowly/slightly, it doesn’t overflow the expansion tank unless I ride middle-hard (not flat out) I’ve ordered a 27mm hex drive (1/2 drive) for the forks. I have another new head gasket but I’m going to try and limp through the salt season, until spring before fitting any new parts. I’ll do the head if it gets worse but I really want to get my old barrel rebored by PJME (best finish I’ve seen on a bore!) Also I’ve a crank I want to get rebuilt and balanced. My bike doesn’t want to rev above 7-8k in gear, which doesn’t seem right?…

          Need to get new bottom end bearings and seals all through, clutch buffer rubbers and a new rear shock, as well as dreaded swingarm & linkage bearings, bushes and seals 🙂

          I wish that Satan Claus didn’t see me as naughty, it’s all so expensive a labour of love! 😑

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          • S SpookDog
            17 Dec 2022, 17:43

            Head is still leaking but very slowly/slightly, it doesn’t overflow the expansion tank unless I ride middle-hard (not flat out) I’ve ordered a 27mm hex drive (1/2 drive) for the forks. I have another new head gasket but I’m going to try and limp through the salt season, until spring before fitting any new parts. I’ll do the head if it gets worse but I really want to get my old barrel rebored by PJME (best finish I’ve seen on a bore!) Also I’ve a crank I want to get rebuilt and balanced. My bike doesn’t want to rev above 7-8k in gear, which doesn’t seem right?…

            Need to get new bottom end bearings and seals all through, clutch buffer rubbers and a new rear shock, as well as dreaded swingarm & linkage bearings, bushes and seals 🙂

            I wish that Satan Claus didn’t see me as naughty, it’s all so expensive a labour of love! 😑

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            SpookDog
            wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 01:40 last edited by
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            Whoa! Just went for a 35~40mile jaunt, I don’t like flashing blue lights road blocking in front of me in the pitch black! It is well disorienting! It is nice to not be pulled over just because you’re out and about at 1 in the morning though. 20 years ago I would of been tugged on principal!…

            Times are so different…

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              18 Dec 2022, 01:40

              Whoa! Just went for a 35~40mile jaunt, I don’t like flashing blue lights road blocking in front of me in the pitch black! It is well disorienting! It is nice to not be pulled over just because you’re out and about at 1 in the morning though. 20 years ago I would of been tugged on principal!…

              Times are so different…

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              Calum
              wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 08:59 last edited by
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              @SpookDog you are mental 🤣 you do serious mileage on your bike. I haven't ridden any of my motorbikes since July. Fired up the DT yesterday, took a few kicks but akk seemed well.

              Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                18 Dec 2022, 08:59

                @SpookDog you are mental 🤣 you do serious mileage on your bike. I haven't ridden any of my motorbikes since July. Fired up the DT yesterday, took a few kicks but akk seemed well.

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                SpookDog
                wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 19:51 last edited by
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                @Calum

                I know, if the weather is adverse I feel obliged to test myself against it ☠️

                I cleaned out the bowl of my carb last night before I went out, specifically the pilot jet because it’s not been starting or running great at low revs. It’s like a different animal again! Great starting, smooth revs all through the bottom to ‘top’ mid range. I’m surprised how much of the rev range is actually affected by the pilot jetting!
                When I removed the pilot and blew it through you still couldn’t see a definitively clear hole (it was opaque) I had to use a thin, kinda serated wire to clear it till it showed properly to the eye. I don’t know if it’s a hard deposit build up or a ‘gluoopy’ oil residue? But something seems to be regularily obscuring the jets bore. Maybe cause I’m running pre~mix? (Castro Racing) The filter on the fuel tap looks great, also I’ve got a good new filter in-line between the tank & carb. I don’t really understand its cause 😐 …

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                  • S SpookDog
                    18 Dec 2022, 19:51

                    @Calum

                    I know, if the weather is adverse I feel obliged to test myself against it ☠️

                    I cleaned out the bowl of my carb last night before I went out, specifically the pilot jet because it’s not been starting or running great at low revs. It’s like a different animal again! Great starting, smooth revs all through the bottom to ‘top’ mid range. I’m surprised how much of the rev range is actually affected by the pilot jetting!
                    When I removed the pilot and blew it through you still couldn’t see a definitively clear hole (it was opaque) I had to use a thin, kinda serated wire to clear it till it showed properly to the eye. I don’t know if it’s a hard deposit build up or a ‘gluoopy’ oil residue? But something seems to be regularily obscuring the jets bore. Maybe cause I’m running pre~mix? (Castro Racing) The filter on the fuel tap looks great, also I’ve got a good new filter in-line between the tank & carb. I don’t really understand its cause 😐 …

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                    SpookDog
                    wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 22:00 last edited by
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                    @SpookDog

                    Hoop! Talking to myself! 👀

                    Bike chewed up a piston ring last night. Just lost power and started clattering, killed it like a heat seize with the clutch. Took the exhaust off tonight and peeked into the exhaust port. One ring down and a lot of shiny new scratches on my (previously pristine) 3MB cylinder head ☠️
                    I had to nurse it 30 miles to get home to safety. So I’m guessing if any of it dropped down a transfer port I’ve lost the crank and cases as well. Oh well, shit happens…

                    Can’t help thinking that there are loads more worthy candidates out there than me tho’ 😵‍💫

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                      22 Dec 2022, 22:00

                      @SpookDog

                      Hoop! Talking to myself! 👀

                      Bike chewed up a piston ring last night. Just lost power and started clattering, killed it like a heat seize with the clutch. Took the exhaust off tonight and peeked into the exhaust port. One ring down and a lot of shiny new scratches on my (previously pristine) 3MB cylinder head ☠️
                      I had to nurse it 30 miles to get home to safety. So I’m guessing if any of it dropped down a transfer port I’ve lost the crank and cases as well. Oh well, shit happens…

                      Can’t help thinking that there are loads more worthy candidates out there than me tho’ 😵‍💫

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                      Calum
                      wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 09:58 last edited by
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                      @SpookDog wtf! I have never seen someone have as much bad luck with these engines as you.

                      All I can think is that you are caining it everywhere and you do lots of mileage. But in the 12 years of ownership of my bike I have only blown the head gasket after I used a cheap one after my bike got stolen...

                      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                        23 Dec 2022, 09:58

                        @SpookDog wtf! I have never seen someone have as much bad luck with these engines as you.

                        All I can think is that you are caining it everywhere and you do lots of mileage. But in the 12 years of ownership of my bike I have only blown the head gasket after I used a cheap one after my bike got stolen...

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                        SpookDog
                        wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 16:26 last edited by
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                        @Calum

                        It feels like bad luck for sure, but the head gasket problems were just my ignorance and previous boners putting wrong jets in the wrong carb. My head problems are totally solved now…
                        I’ve never had a two stroke or any other engine have a ring let go though. I’m guessing it happens at the exhaust port where the rings have to bridge the biggest ‘void’. My barrel/piston was a bit worn and egg shaped judging by the ‘slap’ movement in the piston. So it’s my own fault. I was really hoping it would see me through till the spring tho! Oh well 💩 happens!…

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                          23 Dec 2022, 16:26

                          @Calum

                          It feels like bad luck for sure, but the head gasket problems were just my ignorance and previous boners putting wrong jets in the wrong carb. My head problems are totally solved now…
                          I’ve never had a two stroke or any other engine have a ring let go though. I’m guessing it happens at the exhaust port where the rings have to bridge the biggest ‘void’. My barrel/piston was a bit worn and egg shaped judging by the ‘slap’ movement in the piston. So it’s my own fault. I was really hoping it would see me through till the spring tho! Oh well 💩 happens!…

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                          Calum
                          wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 16:45 last edited by
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                          @SpookDog Did you make sure the Piston Ring End Gap was in tolerance upon assembly?

                          In most piston kits I've had, one is within spec and the other is almost always out.

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                            23 Dec 2022, 16:45

                            @SpookDog Did you make sure the Piston Ring End Gap was in tolerance upon assembly?

                            In most piston kits I've had, one is within spec and the other is almost always out.

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                            SpookDog
                            wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 18:05 last edited by
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                            @Calum

                            No, I didn’t. They were new rings from pjme and they slipped in ok. I just did a quick visual with them in the barrel to make sure they weren’t doing anything extreme 🙂
                            I was just hoping it’d be ok cause I rarely go above 6k and never above 7k (I still don’t know what a late 88-90 engine shoul rev to!!) Just killing time & cruising up them miles till spring 😎

                            There’s no mystery, I’m just feeling sorry for me~elf 😱

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                              23 Dec 2022, 18:05

                              @Calum

                              No, I didn’t. They were new rings from pjme and they slipped in ok. I just did a quick visual with them in the barrel to make sure they weren’t doing anything extreme 🙂
                              I was just hoping it’d be ok cause I rarely go above 6k and never above 7k (I still don’t know what a late 88-90 engine shoul rev to!!) Just killing time & cruising up them miles till spring 😎

                              There’s no mystery, I’m just feeling sorry for me~elf 😱

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                              Calum
                              wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 18:32 last edited by
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                              @SpookDog Hhmm 🤔 I wonder whether the rings were out of spec then?

                              The problem is, if they're not measured properly, the engine can heat up and expand. The rings can then butt together and then catch on an exhaust port.

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                                23 Dec 2022, 18:32

                                @SpookDog Hhmm 🤔 I wonder whether the rings were out of spec then?

                                The problem is, if they're not measured properly, the engine can heat up and expand. The rings can then butt together and then catch on an exhaust port.

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                                SpookDog
                                wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 20:00 last edited by
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                                @Calum

                                Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

                                I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
                                I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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                                  23 Dec 2022, 20:00

                                  @Calum

                                  Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

                                  I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
                                  I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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                                  Calum
                                  wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 20:35 last edited by
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                                  @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

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                                    23 Dec 2022, 20:35

                                    @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

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                                    wrote on 24 Dec 2022, 17:47 last edited by
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                                    @Calum

                                    Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

                                    I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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                                      24 Dec 2022, 17:47

                                      @Calum

                                      Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

                                      I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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                                      SpookDog
                                      wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:06 last edited by
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                                      The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
                                      Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

                                      MerryXmess!…

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                                        27 Dec 2022, 19:06

                                        The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
                                        Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

                                        MerryXmess!…

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                                        Calum
                                        wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:13 last edited by
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                                        @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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                                          27 Dec 2022, 19:13

                                          @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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                                          SpookDog
                                          wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 20:05 last edited by
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                                          @Calum

                                          Like I said before, I didn’t measure, just a quick visual check in the barrel. It’s a jap Mitaka piston. I don’t blame the brand, it’s just a mechanical join between the aluminium piston and the brass pin that can fail in any brand piston, just bad luck 🙂 The piston had been overheated (judging by the black inside the crown) before I even brought the top end second hand. Couple that with possible vibration problems?…

                                          I think the rings were RIK from PJME…

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