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  • CalumC Calum

    @SpookDog Did you make sure the Piston Ring End Gap was in tolerance upon assembly?

    In most piston kits I've had, one is within spec and the other is almost always out.

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    @Calum

    No, I didn’t. They were new rings from pjme and they slipped in ok. I just did a quick visual with them in the barrel to make sure they weren’t doing anything extreme 🙂
    I was just hoping it’d be ok cause I rarely go above 6k and never above 7k (I still don’t know what a late 88-90 engine shoul rev to!!) Just killing time & cruising up them miles till spring 😎

    There’s no mystery, I’m just feeling sorry for me~elf 😱

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      @Calum

      No, I didn’t. They were new rings from pjme and they slipped in ok. I just did a quick visual with them in the barrel to make sure they weren’t doing anything extreme 🙂
      I was just hoping it’d be ok cause I rarely go above 6k and never above 7k (I still don’t know what a late 88-90 engine shoul rev to!!) Just killing time & cruising up them miles till spring 😎

      There’s no mystery, I’m just feeling sorry for me~elf 😱

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      @SpookDog Hhmm 🤔 I wonder whether the rings were out of spec then?

      The problem is, if they're not measured properly, the engine can heat up and expand. The rings can then butt together and then catch on an exhaust port.

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        @SpookDog Hhmm 🤔 I wonder whether the rings were out of spec then?

        The problem is, if they're not measured properly, the engine can heat up and expand. The rings can then butt together and then catch on an exhaust port.

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        @Calum

        Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

        I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
        I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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          @Calum

          Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

          I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
          I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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          @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

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            @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

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            @Calum

            Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

            I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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              @Calum

              Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

              I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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              The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
              Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

              MerryXmess!…

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                The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
                Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

                MerryXmess!…

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                @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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                  @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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                  @Calum

                  Like I said before, I didn’t measure, just a quick visual check in the barrel. It’s a jap Mitaka piston. I don’t blame the brand, it’s just a mechanical join between the aluminium piston and the brass pin that can fail in any brand piston, just bad luck 🙂 The piston had been overheated (judging by the black inside the crown) before I even brought the top end second hand. Couple that with possible vibration problems?…

                  I think the rings were RIK from PJME…

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                    @Calum

                    Like I said before, I didn’t measure, just a quick visual check in the barrel. It’s a jap Mitaka piston. I don’t blame the brand, it’s just a mechanical join between the aluminium piston and the brass pin that can fail in any brand piston, just bad luck 🙂 The piston had been overheated (judging by the black inside the crown) before I even brought the top end second hand. Couple that with possible vibration problems?…

                    I think the rings were RIK from PJME…

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                    Day 1: 40 mile shakedown has shown no problems. Barrel & piston is a lot better condition/fit than the previous one, but by no means new. Choosy Beggars and wotnot 😎
                    Rehoned the barrel before fitting so am being gentle with the revs to let the rings settle. Nothing above 6000rpm…

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                      Howdy, I'd love to answer your question but my tachometer does not function. If I fix it or get a digital guage I will let you know!

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                        Day 1: 40 mile shakedown has shown no problems. Barrel & piston is a lot better condition/fit than the previous one, but by no means new. Choosy Beggars and wotnot 😎
                        Rehoned the barrel before fitting so am being gentle with the revs to let the rings settle. Nothing above 6000rpm…

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                          Howdy, I'd love to answer your question but my tachometer does not function. If I fix it or get a digital guage I will let you know!

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                          These are the first pics of the Romeu Henrique stainless steel expansion chamber and tailpipe/serviceable muffler that I brought in Dec. I will take pics when it’s fitted to the bike…

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                          Also below, there are the progressive fork springs. Shown next to a standard spring…

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                          The 27mm hex tool (1/2 inch drive) that I got for £25 to dismantle the fork bottoms without drama! 😎 fitted to a 1/2inch extension bar (2 needed to reach inside fork)…

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                          With the fork bottom inners. The inners undid with very little effort…

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                          One of the fork bottom Allen bolts came out eventually. I’d already nearly rounded off the head before I removed the inner with the 27mm tool bit, so it needs replacing…

                          The second one is still stuck in the fork bottom as you can see. The head is rounded off badly and needs heat and banging out from inside, which is now possible since removing the inner with the 27mm tool bit. It’s corroded into the fork bottom because of the dissimilar metals and the tiny gap between them…
                          I’m waiting on a new blowtorch since my old one ha given up the ghost!…

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                          I’ve gotten new bottom bolts, seals and bushes (top & bottom) to go with the springs. So the forks should be as good as new when done and powder coated…

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                            These are the first pics of the Romeu Henrique stainless steel expansion chamber and tailpipe/serviceable muffler that I brought in Dec. I will take pics when it’s fitted to the bike…

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                            Also below, there are the progressive fork springs. Shown next to a standard spring…

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                            The 27mm hex tool (1/2 inch drive) that I got for £25 to dismantle the fork bottoms without drama! 😎 fitted to a 1/2inch extension bar (2 needed to reach inside fork)…

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                            With the fork bottom inners. The inners undid with very little effort…

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                            One of the fork bottom Allen bolts came out eventually. I’d already nearly rounded off the head before I removed the inner with the 27mm tool bit, so it needs replacing…

                            The second one is still stuck in the fork bottom as you can see. The head is rounded off badly and needs heat and banging out from inside, which is now possible since removing the inner with the 27mm tool bit. It’s corroded into the fork bottom because of the dissimilar metals and the tiny gap between them…
                            I’m waiting on a new blowtorch since my old one ha given up the ghost!…

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                            I’ve gotten new bottom bolts, seals and bushes (top & bottom) to go with the springs. So the forks should be as good as new when done and powder coated…

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                            @SpookDog Pipe looks well smart!

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                              @SpookDog Pipe looks well smart!

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                              @Calum

                              Cheers bud, my mistook 😎
                              Also in pics are the 400 x 18 & 90/90 x 21 Kenda tyres I brought for the spring. I’m running on Kenda’s at the moment and they are way better than the £100 Pirelli mt’s that I was using before…

                              Also I wanted to say that the carbon ceramic Brembo brake pads have stood the test of time and are still performing absolutely top notch! Wet or dry they are a lot better than the EBC pads I used to run before. Well worth the £24…

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                                Cheers bud, my mistook 😎
                                Also in pics are the 400 x 18 & 90/90 x 21 Kenda tyres I brought for the spring. I’m running on Kenda’s at the moment and they are way better than the £100 Pirelli mt’s that I was using before…

                                Also I wanted to say that the carbon ceramic Brembo brake pads have stood the test of time and are still performing absolutely top notch! Wet or dry they are a lot better than the EBC pads I used to run before. Well worth the £24…

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                                @SpookDog Yeah 100%, I found the Brembo pads well worth their money! I've got a few sets under the bed waiting for a project in th future.

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                                  @SpookDog Yeah 100%, I found the Brembo pads well worth their money! I've got a few sets under the bed waiting for a project in th future.

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                                  Dunno if this will work but the Japanese exotica arrived last month
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                                    Dunno if this will work but the Japanese exotica arrived last month
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                                          The exhaust Fitted without needing any real fuckin around. Changed the tailpipe mount bolt from 13mm to 10mm and didn’t use the rubber mount at the front of the frame, just bolts straight onto. Also the mount above the battery isn’t used and no rubber join is needed…

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                                          Will be taking for a run tomorrow, if not tonight! 😎
                                          It may be my imagination, but the bike is ticking over so much stronger/smoother from cold than before with the Big 1 exhaust…

                                          It sounds sweet as well ✌️

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