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  • C Calum
    23 Dec 2022, 18:32

    @SpookDog Hhmm 🤔 I wonder whether the rings were out of spec then?

    The problem is, if they're not measured properly, the engine can heat up and expand. The rings can then butt together and then catch on an exhaust port.

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    SpookDog
    wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 20:00 last edited by
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    @Calum

    Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

    I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
    I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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      23 Dec 2022, 20:00

      @Calum

      Nah, if I hadn’t of gotten nearly 6000 trouble free miles I could agree with you. I knew the barrel was oval shaped when I first fitted it. Like I said it was a bit ‘slappy’ You could feel the excess movement in the front to back at TDC, side to side was OK. I just wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic!

      I just find it really helpful to document my ‘happening’s’ in this thread for future reference. I used to write it down on all sorts of cardboard, pads & things but always end up misplacing it, let alone keeping date of things…
      I need the data to work out the problems. At the moment I’d love to know if my engine RPM peaked so low normally or whether I have a miss-balanced crank that won’t let it rev to 10k+ 😵‍💫

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      Calum
      wrote on 23 Dec 2022, 20:35 last edited by
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      @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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      • C Calum
        23 Dec 2022, 20:35

        @SpookDog The chap who rebored my cylinder after it got stolen mentioned how oval it was 🤣

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        SpookDog
        wrote on 24 Dec 2022, 17:47 last edited by
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        @Calum

        Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

        I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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        • S SpookDog
          24 Dec 2022, 17:47

          @Calum

          Ditto my first rebore. It’s normal wear, front to back. There is no side to side pressure on a piston/barrel…

          I have to make a list of bearings for a rebuild now. I don’t know whether to get the crank rebuilt and balanced though. I wish I could find somewhere that could check the balance…

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          SpookDog
          wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:06 last edited by
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          The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
          Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

          MerryXmess!…

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            27 Dec 2022, 19:06

            The top ring retainer pin came loose and worked it’s way out and up (in a bounceabout kinda way 😛) into the head and through the exhaust port. So luckily both rings are still intact and never made any shrapnel down into the crank 👍. Just scratch (lol!) 1 head, barrel & piston…
            Fitting a donor tomorrow I hope 🙂…

            MerryXmess!…

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            Calum
            wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:13 last edited by
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            @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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            • C Calum
              27 Dec 2022, 19:13

              @SpookDog What brand was the piston? Have you checked the piston ring end gap?

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              wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 20:05 last edited by
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              @Calum

              Like I said before, I didn’t measure, just a quick visual check in the barrel. It’s a jap Mitaka piston. I don’t blame the brand, it’s just a mechanical join between the aluminium piston and the brass pin that can fail in any brand piston, just bad luck 🙂 The piston had been overheated (judging by the black inside the crown) before I even brought the top end second hand. Couple that with possible vibration problems?…

              I think the rings were RIK from PJME…

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                27 Dec 2022, 20:05

                @Calum

                Like I said before, I didn’t measure, just a quick visual check in the barrel. It’s a jap Mitaka piston. I don’t blame the brand, it’s just a mechanical join between the aluminium piston and the brass pin that can fail in any brand piston, just bad luck 🙂 The piston had been overheated (judging by the black inside the crown) before I even brought the top end second hand. Couple that with possible vibration problems?…

                I think the rings were RIK from PJME…

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                SpookDog
                wrote on 29 Dec 2022, 20:10 last edited by
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                Day 1: 40 mile shakedown has shown no problems. Barrel & piston is a lot better condition/fit than the previous one, but by no means new. Choosy Beggars and wotnot 😎
                Rehoned the barrel before fitting so am being gentle with the revs to let the rings settle. Nothing above 6000rpm…

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                  wrote on 1 Jan 2023, 20:21 last edited by
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                  Howdy, I'd love to answer your question but my tachometer does not function. If I fix it or get a digital guage I will let you know!

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                  • S SpookDog
                    29 Dec 2022, 20:10

                    Day 1: 40 mile shakedown has shown no problems. Barrel & piston is a lot better condition/fit than the previous one, but by no means new. Choosy Beggars and wotnot 😎
                    Rehoned the barrel before fitting so am being gentle with the revs to let the rings settle. Nothing above 6000rpm…

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                    wrote on 2 Jan 2023, 19:21 last edited by SpookDog 1 Feb 2023, 19:29
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                    • giggscorkG giggscork
                      1 Jan 2023, 20:21

                      Howdy, I'd love to answer your question but my tachometer does not function. If I fix it or get a digital guage I will let you know!

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                      SpookDog
                      wrote on 2 Jan 2023, 19:30 last edited by SpookDog 1 Apr 2023, 17:41
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                      These are the first pics of the Romeu Henrique stainless steel expansion chamber and tailpipe/serviceable muffler that I brought in Dec. I will take pics when it’s fitted to the bike…

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                      Also below, there are the progressive fork springs. Shown next to a standard spring…

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                      The 27mm hex tool (1/2 inch drive) that I got for £25 to dismantle the fork bottoms without drama! 😎 fitted to a 1/2inch extension bar (2 needed to reach inside fork)…

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                      With the fork bottom inners. The inners undid with very little effort…

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                      One of the fork bottom Allen bolts came out eventually. I’d already nearly rounded off the head before I removed the inner with the 27mm tool bit, so it needs replacing…

                      The second one is still stuck in the fork bottom as you can see. The head is rounded off badly and needs heat and banging out from inside, which is now possible since removing the inner with the 27mm tool bit. It’s corroded into the fork bottom because of the dissimilar metals and the tiny gap between them…
                      I’m waiting on a new blowtorch since my old one ha given up the ghost!…

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                      I’ve gotten new bottom bolts, seals and bushes (top & bottom) to go with the springs. So the forks should be as good as new when done and powder coated…

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                        2 Jan 2023, 19:30

                        These are the first pics of the Romeu Henrique stainless steel expansion chamber and tailpipe/serviceable muffler that I brought in Dec. I will take pics when it’s fitted to the bike…

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                        Also below, there are the progressive fork springs. Shown next to a standard spring…

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                        The 27mm hex tool (1/2 inch drive) that I got for £25 to dismantle the fork bottoms without drama! 😎 fitted to a 1/2inch extension bar (2 needed to reach inside fork)…

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                        With the fork bottom inners. The inners undid with very little effort…

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                        One of the fork bottom Allen bolts came out eventually. I’d already nearly rounded off the head before I removed the inner with the 27mm tool bit, so it needs replacing…

                        The second one is still stuck in the fork bottom as you can see. The head is rounded off badly and needs heat and banging out from inside, which is now possible since removing the inner with the 27mm tool bit. It’s corroded into the fork bottom because of the dissimilar metals and the tiny gap between them…
                        I’m waiting on a new blowtorch since my old one ha given up the ghost!…

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                        I’ve gotten new bottom bolts, seals and bushes (top & bottom) to go with the springs. So the forks should be as good as new when done and powder coated…

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                        Calum
                        wrote on 2 Jan 2023, 19:46 last edited by
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                        @SpookDog Pipe looks well smart!

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                        • C Calum
                          2 Jan 2023, 19:46

                          @SpookDog Pipe looks well smart!

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                          SpookDog
                          wrote on 4 Jan 2023, 19:13 last edited by SpookDog 1 Apr 2023, 19:21
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                          @Calum

                          Cheers bud, my mistook 😎
                          Also in pics are the 400 x 18 & 90/90 x 21 Kenda tyres I brought for the spring. I’m running on Kenda’s at the moment and they are way better than the £100 Pirelli mt’s that I was using before…

                          Also I wanted to say that the carbon ceramic Brembo brake pads have stood the test of time and are still performing absolutely top notch! Wet or dry they are a lot better than the EBC pads I used to run before. Well worth the £24…

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                            4 Jan 2023, 19:13

                            @Calum

                            Cheers bud, my mistook 😎
                            Also in pics are the 400 x 18 & 90/90 x 21 Kenda tyres I brought for the spring. I’m running on Kenda’s at the moment and they are way better than the £100 Pirelli mt’s that I was using before…

                            Also I wanted to say that the carbon ceramic Brembo brake pads have stood the test of time and are still performing absolutely top notch! Wet or dry they are a lot better than the EBC pads I used to run before. Well worth the £24…

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                            Calum
                            wrote on 4 Jan 2023, 19:26 last edited by
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                            @SpookDog Yeah 100%, I found the Brembo pads well worth their money! I've got a few sets under the bed waiting for a project in th future.

                            Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                              4 Jan 2023, 19:26

                              @SpookDog Yeah 100%, I found the Brembo pads well worth their money! I've got a few sets under the bed waiting for a project in th future.

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                              Scootjockey
                              wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:57 last edited by
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                              Dunno if this will work but the Japanese exotica arrived last month
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                                5 Jan 2023, 21:57

                                Dunno if this will work but the Japanese exotica arrived last month
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                                Scootjockey
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                                  5 Jan 2023, 21:58

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                                    5 Jan 2023, 21:59

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                                    wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:59 last edited by
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                                      5 Jan 2023, 21:59

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                                      SpookDog
                                      wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 18:46 last edited by SpookDog
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                                      The exhaust Fitted without needing any real fuckin around. Changed the tailpipe mount bolt from 13mm to 10mm and didn’t use the rubber mount at the front of the frame, just bolts straight onto. Also the mount above the battery isn’t used and no rubber join is needed…

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                                      Will be taking for a run tomorrow, if not tonight! 😎
                                      It may be my imagination, but the bike is ticking over so much stronger/smoother from cold than before with the Big 1 exhaust…

                                      It sounds sweet as well ✌️

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                                        15 Jan 2023, 18:46

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                                        The exhaust Fitted without needing any real fuckin around. Changed the tailpipe mount bolt from 13mm to 10mm and didn’t use the rubber mount at the front of the frame, just bolts straight onto. Also the mount above the battery isn’t used and no rubber join is needed…

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                                        Will be taking for a run tomorrow, if not tonight! 😎
                                        It may be my imagination, but the bike is ticking over so much stronger/smoother from cold than before with the Big 1 exhaust…

                                        It sounds sweet as well ✌️

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                                        wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 22:00 last edited by SpookDog
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                                        Didn’t get a real chance to check it out tonight, cause by the time I went far enough to get it properly up to temp it started absolutely pissing it down. I’m still running/bedding in the rings from the re~hone I did when I replaced the head gasket a few weeks ago as well…

                                        What I can say is it revved up to just over 7000rpm with non of the usual reluctance around 6000rpm. Clean & crisp with non of the ‘chokey’ stutter I got with the Big1 front pipe. I’m looking forward to a dry sunny day so I can see where my revs top out…

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                                          15 Jan 2023, 22:00

                                          Didn’t get a real chance to check it out tonight, cause by the time I went far enough to get it properly up to temp it started absolutely pissing it down. I’m still running/bedding in the rings from the re~hone I did when I replaced the head gasket a few weeks ago as well…

                                          What I can say is it revved up to just over 7000rpm with non of the usual reluctance around 6000rpm. Clean & crisp with non of the ‘chokey’ stutter I got with the Big1 front pipe. I’m looking forward to a dry sunny day so I can see where my revs top out…

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                                          wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 22:35 last edited by
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                                          @SpookDog
                                          Must admit that pipe looks bitchin, I love the bare metal with welds on display. Quality stuff. Your bike will be running better because it will be able to breath better (exhale) with the new pipe. Must admit I’m itching to get out on the TDR but the council vandals have been out and covered the roads in salt so I’m praying for rain to wash it all away and sunny days.

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