Runs with choke
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I inadvertently dimpled the side of my seal when I fitted it. I used a flathead screwdriver and was careful, but the contact area you want to hit is only about 1mm of the outermost edge. I only ever use an old seal as a buffer now and use a tube
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Got the flywheel off this evening and just as we suspected, crank seal failed, lesson learnt! Got new one coming tomorrow
Someoneās had a little go before and marked the outside of casing, I drill a little hole, screw a screw in and pull the old seal out. Lucky inside is fine
EDIT: when putting new one in iām going to do what you said @SpookDog use this old one as a ābufferā would you say to put a little oil on the inner so it doesnāt ruin the lip?
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Red rubber grease is the best I reconā¦
Yep, make sure the casing is clean ally, no white oxidation or crud. Then anything that helps it slip in easily. Then push it in with your thumbs. Then gentle, even tapping. Itās so easy to distort the seals āfaceā and sealing lips
Good luck bud! Youāll get thereā¦Just re-looked at the pic. Thatās pretty much what happened to me. Hell of a learning curve. I did it to fork seals as well! š„“ What did you use, a socket, or extension bar?ā¦
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Seals arrived today! Didnāt get time to put it in as finished work late and wanted a fresh head on it.
Yes Iām going to do both sides, Iāve removed both seals the other day by drilling a small hole in them and then use a screw couple turns and then pull it out.
Iāve got with high quality viton seals this time as fuel and high heat resistant
Finally can put the bike back together tomorrow! Being the electric start engine thatās 2004+? Correct?
So carburettor settings is and correct me if Iām wrong
240 main
25 pilot
4th clipOh Iāve also ordered a snorkel for the airbox as previous owner decided to remove it but Iāve always found they run better with them in.
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Update:
Changed crank seals, no change, so I thought Iād check everything again, cleaned all jets, checked float height and it was 16mm, so I did some research and the float heigh is 20 - 21mm it says in the Haynes anybody got thereās at that?
Alittle better but not full fixed, so I thought fresh fuel Abit better again can get it to bog on rev now but will rev past,Thing Iāve ruled it down to now is airā¦
Previous owner cut the airbox, so Iāve ordered a snorkel and what Iām going to do is stick a plastic cover back onto the top of the air box and then cut out a slot with a dremel so the snorkel fits so itās back to oem, as when you rev it you can hear the mass amount of air being rushed in.I still donāt know why people remove the snorkel and cut the airbox.. Yamaha has probably done so much testing and that is what is best for the flow and feed of air. So Iām 100% certain itās that as makes sense now runs on choke so that means itās getting more fuel and when youāve got more air youāll need more fuel so choke is the answer.
If someone can please let me know on the float height if Iām wrong above thank you !
Hopefully itās here before weekend and then Iāll be back to update you all
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@OllieDTR I've always set the float heights on all my TM28SS carbs to 16mm and never had an issue ('93 3NC, '98 3MB and my '98 3NC on which the carb had been so butchered with silicone sealant down the vent holes etc. I ended up just replacing it with one good carb made of two spares). I read in the TZR125R Yamaha service manual that it's 15.5-16.5mm for that bike where the TM28SS is fitted (UK, France etc.) and I didn't have any other Yamaha service info at the time and so just went with it. The moulding line around the plastic parts of the floats is about parallel with the float bowl gasket face at 16mm and that is usually a good indicator that the float height is about right on most Japanese bike carbs.
I'm afraid Haynes never quite got their head around the fact the '88 DTR has a VM26SS carb (same as the original TZR125) and then changed over to the TM28SS flat slide in '89 after one year of production. So various editions of the Haynes manual for the DTR have some pretty big mistakes in the carb section; I think where they specify 20-21mm float height for the TM28SS they got mixed up with the VM26SS, and they list VM26 jet sizes for the TM28 in some parts of the manual, and in others they just say all DTRs have a VM26!
It sounds to me like the previous owner has cut a big hole in the top of the airbox "because YZ125" and this is probably what is causing the lean running condition as you say. It's certainly not helping so fixing this and refitting the snorkel before trying anything else is the right approach IMO
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I can always change float height back to 16mm not an issue, Iāve got the snorkel hopefully coming tomorrow so I can patch the airbox up and have the correct amount of air coming in as it should be so can work from there as itās all guess work without
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Off the top of my head it does say 21mm in the Haynes manual, but like @HOTSHOT-III says, they make fux ups all over the place with carbs and wiring diagrams just being ones Iāve had āproblemsā with
ā¦21 sounds like such a big leap for a carb with the same bowl as the other iterations. But, like you said, you can always change it back. Iād try anything if I was in your shoes budā¦
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Have you checked the gasket on the carbs slide body? Or the slide top? Anywhere that unmetered air can be getting in? Cracks in the rubber mount even? I personally canāt see the air box being the problem, but itās a good idea to put every variable back to standardā¦
If it helps Iād be up to lending you my spare carb to see if swapping it out makes any difference. The jets I have for it are richer, I accidentally opened up the .25 pilot and I only have an aftermarket 250 main for it, but it worksā¦
Itās in Pooleā¦PS have you got the little tube connecting the power jet from the throttle body to the bowl? If that wasnāt connected it could suck air in thereā¦
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The airbox on the DTR is pretty restrictive to be fair. Was a common modification by a lot of people tuning their DTRs to cut the entire top section of the airbox off, when these bikes were a dime a dozen.
I purely ran a pod filter on my DTR and am very happy with how it performs. Cutting the box these days seems sacralige but that's just how it was back then.
Either way, when you're diagnosing faults it's always good to go to known working.
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The only thing that the pod filter would affect would be the power jetā¦
Ram Air used to make a kit for the Z1000ās (back at the end of the last century!) they used to supply a drill tap and ārecalibratedā screw-in brass jet because it looses some of the āsuctionā caused by the standard long air intake. Interesting stuff!ā¦
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A different carb sounds like my next step mate after the snorkel as I canāt think where it could be coming in now, everything is sealed with new gaskets so if itās not the snorkel itās the carb,
Iām in Weymouth Dorset so only down the road, I might have to take you up on the offer of borrowing it mate to see what it idles like if thatās the case Iāll be purchasing one soon as I know
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The only other thing I can think of air getting in isā¦
So the reed rubber bit where it goes onto the reed valve that has its own gasket doesnāt it the rubber bit, Iāve put a gasket onto that as itās got a reed spaced air wouldnāt get in there would it? Or would it be best to take that gasket out and just put it without as it is from factory?
Thanks
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Thereās a gasket below the metal reed valve. None above (and between) the reed valve and rubber intake (it has its own seal). If youāve fitted one strip it down and try again. The inlet is the most likely cause for your symptomsā¦
Do you have much hands on experience with engines, or is this a first bike?
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Iāll take the gasket off today mate, Iāve had a couple dts and mx bike Iāve always done rebuilds on but this one seems to be testing meā¦
Iām currently running 240 main
25 pilotWent for a ride on choke then turn choke off when moving goes for Abit then bogs when let off and try to use throttle again just bogs but flick the choke back up and runs again
Am I thinking itās lean?
Iām off to get some brake cleaner in a minute and going to test for leaks again
