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  • ‘89 DTRE NO SPARK!!

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    @raceraidan Let's just focus on the engine at the moment as I am confused as to what you have. If I don't know the engine, then we're going to be chasing a rabbit down a hole here. If the engine came from a Gilera originally, then it is not an '89 engine. It'll be a DTRE motor that was found in Yamaha's later production run. The reason why this is important is because the flywheel on the last revision of engines is inverted. The cranks are different to compensate for this and then so are the stators. Besides the removal of the kickstarter (which can easily be retrofitted) they are identical crankcases/engines. It's only the aforementioned changes. Secondly, I am not as familiar with the Gilera side of things, I know the engines are similar to the later DTRE, however the ignition is different. A few years ago I couldn't get my DTR running right (turned out to be a Chinese ignition coild, swapped it for genuine and all problems went away) and when trying to diagnose an issue, I tried to source an OEM DTRE CDI, as I run Zeeltronic ignition system and have had the misfortune of having a faulty one in the past. RE ignitions have all but dried up (I never should have sold mine) and the only thing I could get my hands on was a Gilera ignition. Because the engine's are the same, I thought it was worth a punt, but alas I couldn't even get the engine started with the Gilera ignition and as such we need to understand your engine. You fitting a random engine into a random frame is not going to help us identify the problem. So we need to understand the parts you have in order to diagnose. There used to be guru's in field like @scrimsmustang who could tell you the engine year from the engine number, unfortunately I don't know how to resolve that, but I can tell you a lot about the engine from some exterior photo shots and whip the generator cover off and get some pics and I'll tell you some more. Let's go from there and work our way out. Also yes, with regards to the side stand switch, these can be a royal pain in the bum. Years ago my brother had a 2001 DTR and something was wrong with the sidestand switch and looping it out wasn't sufficient, I can't remember if he grounded the wire, but whatever it was, you legit couldn't start the engine with the key in the 'On' position, you had to kick it over and switch the ignition from off to on to get it to fire up. So I am weary about the side stand switch. The oil light I am not worried about as as far as I know, it doesn't loop back into the CDI, but a Haynes wiring diagram will confirm this. If I go into my workshop at some point I will have a look for you.
  • Is Something Wrong with My DT 125 RE?

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    @matt0084 Yeah, I only say that as it is a known issue where the cables get mis-installed and the servo doesn't operate as intended. I find that the alignment hole in the cylinder doesn't allow the valve to sit flush in the port. I always align the valve with the exhaust off to guarantee alignment.
  • Hi forum

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    Hello @matt0084 and welcome to the forum. Amazing, what a choice for a bike at 17. Thanks for taking the time to say hello. Yes, you always have to start somewhere and the DTRE is a great bike to start with. That's where I started out learning about bikes/mechanics all those years ago and then the passion for bikes just spiked!
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    @ChuckSR86 Do you have a DTR or a DTX? [image: yamaha%20dtx%202006.jpg] or [image: yamaha%20DT%20125%20R%201991.jpg] I must admit, if it's light greenlaning, then you can get away with it on supermoto in the summer? Anything more hardcore then some knobbley's would be ideal. For simplicity, I'd be lacing a set of hubs with ally rims for knobbleys. That way you only need to swap the wheels and not the brakes.
  • Conversion RD 125 LC 30 DTR 125 Engine

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    RD and DT LC are the same block, but gear ratios differ. RD has a close ratio gearbox and DT has a wide ratio. Close ratio is not ideal if you want to go offroad IMO. Primary drive with clutch and 'middle shaft' length differs in the the LC engines I compared. Definitely get a LC YPVS engine if you go that route, -more usable power than without power valve. I have a DT LC YPVS close to stock, I reshaped the head and installed a Zeeltronic and put in 0,3mm carbon reed petals, the rest is stock. Goes well and has really good midrange torque for a 125. I think the DTR and TZR engines are the same block too, but there is probably the same gear ratio difference, and possibly more I have not tried dropping in a DTR engine in a LC frame (have only one DTR engine and many LC's), but have thought about it. Let us know if you try it!
  • Where to start?!

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    Hey @rhodes5150, Nice early example which should hopefully be full power. Best thing you can do with these is to start by getting them full stock. That's a derestricted CDI (yours sounds like it should be), then making sure you've got a working YPVS system which is setup correctly. If the engine is sweet, then leave it alone for the time being. If it's aged and worse for wear, then getting it rebuilt is the way to go. These engines are incredibly simple and easy to rebuild with no specialist tools required. Can drop the bearings in by using a conventional oven heating the cases up. Checkout Yamaha DT 125 r derestriction to see what's needed for your bike. Once you've got the stock motor running sweet, and you still want more power then here are a list of mods I'd do (haven done most of what can be done, experience tells me this is the best order and bang for buck). Exhaust System Full DEP system Really perks up the mid-range punch Cuts out significant weight over the stock system Zeeltronic Ignition System Over my DTRE/X (pretty restricted CDI) really punches up the midrange Carbon Reeds I run VForce4 Reed block on my DTR But generic carbon reeds can help Mileage may vary I'd struggle to tell the difference Porting work Making sure the head/squish is correct is where you'll get the most gains Cheap to get someone to do and can make or break a two stroke Having the cylinder done can be more expensive and mileage may vary on this Athena 170 I've grown to appreciate the 170 kit It doesn't compare to RS 125 big bore kits or other extreme setups Massively increases the mid-range (reducing overrev) Makes the ride much easier to live with Of course this can also be ported to make additional gains here. You can do other mods, such as skimming the flywheel. This doesn't give you any more power per se, but allows the power to be obtained faster. This can drastically affect the overall performance though, so sometimes it's best to leave it alone.
  • Yamaha DT 125 R derestriction

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    All credits go to @scrimsmustang 3DB1 THROUGH TILL 3RN9 , 88 UNTIL 96 MODEL YEARS ! FIRST REMOVE THE EXHAUST SYSTEM AS FOLLOWS , FIRST REMOVE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SIDEPANEL AND REMOVE THE EXHAUST SECUERING BOLT JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE BOTTOM REAR CORNER OF THE FUEL TANK WITH A 10MM SOCKET OR RING SPANNER. THEN YOU WILL FIND ANOTHER EXHAUST MOUNTING BRACKET ON THE LARGEST PART OF THE EXHAUST, REMOVE THE BOLT SECUERING IT TO THE FRAME ,NOT VIA THE BOLT ON THE EXHAUST ITS SELF REMOVE THIS THE SAME WAY. AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THIS REMOVE THE 2 NUTS SECUERING THE EXHAUST TO THE CYLINDER BARREL MANIFOLD WITH A 12MM SOCKET, THEY MAY BE SEIZED A COULD POSSIBLY TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE STUD, DON’T WORRY IF THEY DO AS THEY WILL SCREW BACK IN NO PROBLEM. THE EXHAUST IS NOW READY DO BE REMOVED, JUST GIVE IT A WIGGLE AND FIRM PULL AND IT WILL COME OFF FAIRLY EASILY. CHECK THE GASKET IS STILL IN THE MANIFOLD OR STILL CONNECTED TO THE EXHAUST ITS SELF AS IT NEEDS TO BE REFITTED WITH THE EXHAUST. NOW LOOK INSIDE THE EXHAUST WERE IT MEETS THE MANIFOLD YOU WILL SEE AN INSERT “SMALL TUBE” SECURED BY 3 SMALL SPOT WELDS, REMOVE THE WELDS WITH A DREMMEL OR DRILL OR ANYTHING YOU HAVE IN YOUR TOOLS TO DO THE JOB, AND THEN REMOVE IT.THAT’S THE EXHAUST DERESTRICTED, REFIT IS THE REVERSE OF REMOVAL ! WITH THE EXHAUST REMOVED YOU WILL NOW BE ABLE TO INSERT YOUR FINGER INTO THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD OF THE ENGINE, DON’T WORRY THERE IS NOTHING SHARP IN THERE TO WORRY ABOUT ! “WARNING” ONLY WHEN THE ENGINE IS COLD AND DO NOT TURN THE ENGINE OVER WHEN CARRYING OUT THIS NEXT PROCEDURE ! DON’T WORRY YOU DON’T NEED TO PLACE YOUR FINGER IN THE MANIFOLD YET, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CYLINDER BARREL YOU WILL SEE A ROUND COVER WITH A 10MM BOLT IN THE CENTRE AND 2 SMALL ALLEN SCREWS EITHER SIDE OFF IT, REMOVE IT , 10MM BOLT FIRST THEN THE 2 SMALL ALLEN SCREWS. UNDERNEATH THE COVER YOU WILL FIND A SLEAVE WITH A SMALL PEG IN IT THAT SECURES IT TO THE CAP YOU HAVE JUST REMOVED. REMOVE THE SLEAVE AND YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE “YPVS DIAMOND” WITH A THREADED HOLE IN THE CENTRE WERE THE 10MM BOLT YOU REMOVED SCREWS INTO AND A DOT STAMPED INTO IT ! NOW YOU NEED TO INSERT YOUR FINGER INTO THE MANIFOLD”TO THE TOP”, AT THE SAME TIME SLOWLY ROTATE THE YPVS DIAMOND, YOU MAY NEED PLIERS TO DO THIS ,AS YOU DO THIS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FEEL THE YPVS ROTATING INSIDE THE EXHAUST PORT, WHEN YOU FEEL IT FLUSH WITH THE TOP OF THE PORT THAT’S IT. REFIT IS THE REVERSE OF THE REMOVAL. CLEAN THE MATING SURFACES OF THE COVER AND THE CYLINDER BARREL AND REASSEMBLE WITH A LITTLE INSTANT GASKET SEALER. YOUR BIKE IS NOW DERESTRICTED AND READY TO RUN ! 3RM9 THROUGH TILL 3RME , 97 TILL MID 99 MODELS ! THE PROCEDURE FOR THE EXHAUST IS IDENTICAL TO THE MODELS PREVIOUSLY COVERED, HOWEVER THE MODELS COVERED IN THIS SECTION HAVE THE SERVO FITTED AS STANDARD TO ELECTRONICLY OPERATE THE YPVS SYSTEM. TO CHECK THE CORRECT OPERATION AND SETTING OF THE YPVS SYSTEM ON THESE MODELS. WHEN THE EXHAUST IS OFF FOR DERESTRICTION IT ALLOWS VERY ACCURATE CHECKING OF THE YPVS WITH THE EXHAUST REMOVED. WITH THE EXHAUST REMOVE PLACE YOUR FINGER GENTLY INSIDE OF THE EXHAUST PORT TO THE TOP OF THE PORT AND TURN THE IGNITION TO THE ON POSITION SO YOU CAN HEAR THE YPVS MAKE ITS CHECK/CLEANING CYCLE, YOU WILL FEEL THE YPVS MOVE THROUGH ITS CYCLE. WHEN IT FINISHES YOU SHOULD FEEL THE YPVS FLUSH WITH THE TOP OF THE PORT WITH NO OBSTRUCTIONS TO THE TOUCH. IF YOU CAN ITS SET CORRECTLY. “NEVER TURN THE ENGINE OVER WHEN CARRYING OUT THIS PROCEDURE” IF YOU CANT YOU NEED TO AJUST THE YPVS VIA ITS CABLES, THERE LOCATED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CYLINDER BARREL AND SECURED IN THERE POSITION WITH A 9MM LOCK NUT ON BOTH CABLES. THE WAY TO DO THIS IS TO REMOVE THE COVER SECURED WITH THE 2 SMALL ALLEN SCREWS, WHEN THIS IS REMOVED YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE YPVS CABLE PULLY WHEEL. IN BETWEEN THE CABLES ON THE PULLY WHEEL YOU WILL SEE A GROOVE ,WHEN THIS GROOVE IS LINED UP WITH THE DOT THAT IS STAMPED INTO THE CYLINDER BARREL BEHIND THE PULLY WHEEL. WHEN YOU TURN THE IGNITION SWITCH TO THE ON POSITION ,AFTER THE YPVS CYCLE FINISHES, IF THE GROOVE IS ALIGNED WITH THE DOT THE YPVS IS CORRECTLY SET FOR FULL POWER OPERATION. IF NOT ADJUST AS REQUIRED. PLEASE NOTE THAT SOME BIKES MAY NEED THE YPVS DIAMOND ROTATING 180 DEGREES,IF THE DOT STAMPED ON THE DIAMOND IS AT THE BOTTOM ROTATE THE DIAMOND 180 DEGREES ! ONCE CORRECT AJUSTMENT IS GAINED REFIT THE EXHAUST, REVERSE OF REMOVAL, LOCK THE YPVS CABLES INTO POSITION, REFIT THE PULLY WHEEL COVER WITH A LITTLE STANT GASKET SEALER. NOW FOR THE DIFFICULT PART ON THESE MODELS ! AT THE FRONT OF THE 2 STROKE OIL TANK ON SOME OF THESE BIKES YOU MAY FIND A SMALL SILVER/GRAY BOX WITH A FEW WIRES COMING FROM IT, IF YOU DON’T IT’S A BIT LESS WORK FOR YOU. IF YOU DO READ ON. THESE ARE THE WIRES SWITCHING THE CDI UNIT. THERE SHOULD BE A RED, YELLOW, BLUE AND A GREEN. THE RED GOES TO A BROWN AT THE REGULATOR THE YELLOW GOES TO A RED/WHITE STRIPPED ON THE PULSE COIL BEHIND THE L/H ENGINE CASE. THE GREEN GOES TO THE RED/WHITE AT THE CDI. THE BLUE GOES INTO A PLUG FROM WERE THE YELLOW IS COMING FROM. NOW FOR THE CHANGES, DISCONNECT THE RED AND THE BLUE AND ISOLATE THEM. YELLOW AND GREEN WILL REMAIN, JOIN THEM TOGETHER, THEN JOIN THE REMAINING RED/WHITE WIRE TO EACH OTHER. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS PROPERLY INSULATED WITH DECENT ELECTRITIANS TAPE. IF ITS NOT SINKING IN JUST READ IT A FEW TIMES. THE BIKE IS NOW DERESTRICTED AND READY TO RUN ! IF NO SILVER BOX IS FITTED AND THIS MOD CANNOT BE CARRIED OUT SWAP TO A PRE 96 CDI UNIT , HOWEVER YOU WILL STILL SEE A MARKED IMPROVEMENT IN PERFORMANCE BUT PRE 96 CDI UNITS HAVE A HIGHER RPM REV LIMITER. 3RME THROUGH TILL 3RMM MODELS , MID 99 TILL 03 MODELS. “NO STEERING LOCK BUILT INTO THE IGNITION SWITCH” THESE MODELS WERE MADE REALLY DIFFICULT TO DERESTRICT BY YAMAHA DUE TO EUROPEAN POWER TO WEIGHT RATIOS AND EMISSIONS LAWS IN EUROPE. THE ONLY GOOD THING IS THE YPVS NEEDS NO AJUSTMENT “ON 99% OF THEM ANYWAY” BUT CHECK ANYWAY WITH THE METHOD DESCRIBED IN THE EARLYER MODEL SECTION. REMOVE THE EXHAUST AS DESCRIBED IN THE EARLYER SECTION, THE RESTRICTION IS NOW MORE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE !!! IT IS TO SEMI CIRCULAR PLATES AND A LOT OF WIRE MESH LOCATED IN THE LARGEST PART OF THE EXHAUST. TO REMOVE THEM THE EXHAUST NEEDS CUTTING OPEN WITH A GRINDER OR HACKSAW AND RE WELDING . I HAVE KNOWN ONE OF THE SEMI CIRCULAR PLATES TO WORK LOOSE BEFORE BY THEMSEVES , SO IF YOU HAVE A RATTLE IN YOUR EXHAUST ITS PROBABLY CAUSED BY THIS. NEXT REMOVE THE CARB, FIRST REMOVE THE FUEL PIPE, REMEMBER TO TURN THE FUEL TAP TO THE OFF POSITION. LOOSEN THE 2 JUBILEE FASTNERS THAT SECURE THE CARB TO THE INLET MANIFOLD AND AIRBOX RUBBER. THEN REMOVE THE BLACK PLASTIC BOTTLE THAT IS SECURED TO THE FRAME THAT PUSHES INTO THE AIRBOX RUBBER IN BETWEEN THE CARB AND AIRBOX. WHEN YOU HAVE REMOVED THE BOTTLE FIRMLEY BUT GENTLEY PULL THE CARB FROM THE RUBBERS FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BIKE. WHEN YOU HAVE THE CARB FREE REMOVE THE 2 CROSSHEAD SCREWS FROM THE TOP AND PULL THE TOP FREE FROM THE CARB AND REMOVE THE SLIDE. THEN PUT THE CARB TO ONE SIDE. “THIS PART IS IMPORTANT “ NOW REMOVE THE INLET MANIFOLD RUBBER FROM THE CRANKCASES, BY REMOVING THE 4, 10MM BOLTS ,REMOVE THE SMALL BLACK RUBBER 2 STROKE OIL FEED PIPE FROM THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE MANIFOLD AND BLACK IT WITH A MATCH STICK OR SMALL SCREW. THEN CAREFULLY PRISE IT FROM THE CRANKCASES. WHEN YOU HAVE THE MANIFOLD FREE YOU WILL SEE A SQUARE RUBBER NOSE PROTRUDING FROM THE BOTTOM OF IT. THIS NEEDS REMOVING , CUT IT OFF WITH A STANLEY KNIFE OR SIMILAR “BE CAREFULL AND WATCH YOUR FINGERS” ONCE THE NOSE IS REMOVED THE HOLE NEEDS CHAMPFERING OUT FROM THE CENTRE OF THE HOLE TO THE EDGE OF THE MANIFOLD TO CREATE A SMOOTH FREE FLOWING FUEL FLOW. IF YOU DON’T FEEL LIKE TACKELING THIS SEND IT TO ME WITH £6 AND I WILL REPLACE YOUR ORIGINAL WITH A MODIFIED ONE. REFIT IS THE REVERSE OF REMOVAL, USE A LITTLE INSTANT GASKET SEALER . WHEN REFITTING THE BLACK BOTTLE TO THE AIRBOX RUBBER, COVER THE HOLE IN THE BOTTLE WITH INSULATION TAPE BEFORE REFITTING IT. OR ALTERNATIVELY FIT THE RUBBER FROM A PRE 99 MODEL THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE BOTTLE FITTED. ALSO REMOVE THE RUBBER AIRBOX NOSSLE FITTED TO THE TOP OF THE AIRBOX UNDER THE SEAT TO LET THE BIKE BREATH A LITTLE BIT BETTER. DON’T DRILL HOLES IN THE SIDE OF THE AIRBOX. NEXT REMOVE THE HEADLAMP SHROUD BY REMOVING THE 2 SCREWS/BOLTS ,ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SHROUD. THEN REMOVE THE HEADLIGHT BY REMOVING THE 10MM BOLTS SECUERING IT TO THE BRACKET, UNPLUG THE WIRING CONNECTIONS FROM THE BULBS AND PLACE THE HEADLIGHT TO ONE SIDE. YOU SHOULD NOW BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SPEEDO, UNSCREW THE SPEEDO CABLE WITH PLYERS, DISCONNECT THE WHITE PLASTIC WIRING CONNECTOR BLOCK THEN REMOVE THE 2 SPLITPINS SECUERING THE SPEEDO TO THE BRACKET IT SITS ON ”THERE SMALL AND FIDDLY SO TAKE YOUR TIME” WHEN YOU HAVE DONE THIS PULL THE SPEEDO UP FROM THE BRACKET. FITTED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE SPEEDO IS THE BACK LIGHT THAT LIGHTS UP THE SPEEDO IN THE DARK WHEN YOUR LIGHTS ARE SWITCHED ON, AND THERE IS A WHITE PLASTIC INSERT PUSHED INTO THE BOTTOM ALSO, PRISE THIS OUT AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A SMALL GLASS FUSE. THIS IS THE REED SWITCH. WHEN THIS IS REMOVED YOU WILL NEED TO SLICE THE BLACK PLASTIC SURROUNDING THE WIRES SO YOU CAN FURTHER SEPARATE THE REED SWITCH FROM THE BACKLIGHT. PUSH THE REEDSWITCH THROUGH THE SPEEDOS BRACKET SO ITS FREE. DON’T CUT IT OFF JUST LEAVE IT FREE UNDERNEATH THE CLOCKS. THEN REFIT THE SPEEDO THEN THE HEADLIGHT AND SHROUD ,THE REVERSE OF THE REMOVAL. THE BIKE IS NOW DERESTRICTED AS MUCH AS THE CDI AND CARB FITTED WILL ALLOW HOWEVER YOU SHOULD NOTICE A MARKED INCREASE IN PERFORMANCE, THE CDI HAS A LOWER REVLIMITER AND THE CARB IS DESIGNED FOR BETTER EMISIONS RATHER THAN POWER. HOWEVER I CAN AD THAT SOME LATE 52 REG AND 03 REG 3RMM MODELS SEEM TO HAVE THE UNRESTRICTED REVLIMITER CDI THESE ARE MARKED 3RM-20 AND RESPOND REALLY WELL TO THESE MODS.EVEN SO AS I HAVE SAID YOU WILL NOTICE A BIG IMPROVEMENT REGARDLESS OF THE CDI THAT IT FITTED TO THE BIKE BUT IF YOU HAVE THE 3RM-20 CDI ALL WELL AND GOOD. IF ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO FULLY DERESTRICT THESE MODELS, AND THAT IS TO RETRO FIT PARTS FROM THE 89 TILL 96 MODELS IF THE POWER IS STILL NOT ENOUGH. 89 3RN1 CDI ARE THE BEST THEY ARE THE MOST POWERFULL EVER PRODUCED WHEN DERESTRICTED. PARTS THAT WILL NEED TO BE SWAPPED ARE AS FOLLOWS ! COMPLETE WIRING LOOM CDI UNIT, EARLYER THE BETTER !!! REGULATOR/RECTIFIER. IGNITION SWITCH LIGHT SWITCHES STATORPLATE FLYWHEEL “ ITS WEIGHTED ON 3RME 3RMJ AND 3RMM MODELS” CARB 3 WIRE YPVS SERVO MOTOR “AS THE 5 WIRE FITTED AS STANDARD IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EARLY TYPE CDI UNITS“. EARLY 97 98 DT125R TYPE OR ANY TDR 125 TZR 125. FITTING OF THESE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GUARENTEE FULL POWER DERESTRICTION ON 99% OF THESE MODELS AS THE EARLY TYPE UNDER FUEL TANK CDI UNIT IS NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE LATER MODEL WIRING LOOM.. IF IN DOUBT JUST ASK ! ON 3RME ONWARD BIKES , BUYING A CDI FROM GERMANY ETC ON EBAY WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM AS ALL OF THE EU USE THE SAME RESTRICTED CDI UNIT. THERE IS NO FULL POWER CDI,S FOR THESE BIKES , ITS AN INTERNET FORUM MYTH. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE OR TWO 3RMM BIKES THAT I HAVE CAME ACROSS THAT DON’T SEEM TO BE AS BAD, I HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OUT THE PART NUMBER ON ONE OF THESE THOUGH. PEOPLE SELLING THESE OPEN CDI UNITS ON EBAY MAY BE SELLING A FULL POWER 3RMM UNIT BUT I WOULD NOT TAKE A CHANCE ON IT AS THERE MORE THAN LIGHTLY JUST SELLING THE RESTRICTED UNIT AFTER A FULL POWER RETRO FIT CONVERSION. IF YOU CAN GET A PART NUMBER IF YOUR CONSIDER BUYING AN OPEN CDI FROM EUROPE GET THE PART NUMBER IF POSSIBLE AND CHECK IT WITH THE PART NUMBER ON YOURS IF YOU CAN MAKE IT OUT. OR WITH YOUR LOCAL YAMAHA DEALER AND YOU WILL NO DOUBT FIND ITS IDENTICAL TO THE TYPE YOU ALREADY HAVE. PRE 3RME BIKE USE A DIFFERENT WIRING LOOM AND THE EARLY TYPE FULL POWER CDI UNITS ARE JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE LOOM AND YPVS SERVO. SO THE RETRO FIT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND IT. I HOPE THIS HELPS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS JUST ASK, DON’T WORRY JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEMS JUST MORE GO !!! YOU CAN ALSO FIT A SET OF RACING REEDS , BOYESEN OR HY TEC ETC AND A PERFORMANCE EXHAUST SUCH AS A DEP , FRESCO BIGONE OR ARROW ETC AFTER YOUR BIKE IS DERESTRICTED. THESE WILL GIVE MORE TORQUE AND A SNAPPIER THROTTLE RESPONSE. PERSONALY I WOULD CARRY OUT THE RETRO FIT FIRST ON THE LATER BIKES. THE PERFORMANCE EXHAUSTS ETC WILL NOT MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE ANYWAY WITH A RESTRICTED ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE SAME POWER DELIVERY AS THE EARLY BIKE YOU CAN PEG THE YPVS IN THE FULLY OPEN POSITION SO YOU GET THE POWER KICK AT AROUND 6500 RPM. I LIKE THE POWER DELIVERY LIKE THIS MYSELF. THAT’S ABOUT IT , THANKS AND HAVE FUN. REMEMBER A SERVICE IS ALWAYS A GOOD WAY TO KEEP YOUR BIKE RUNNING WELL AND THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO CARRY IT OUT, FRESH OIL A NEW PLUG AND A CLEAN AIRFILTER AND AIRFILTER BOX. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED HOW MUCH A DIRTY CLOGGED AIRFILTER WILL AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR BIKE. DT125RE AND DT125X 2004 ONWARD ! THE NEW MODEL BIKES ARE REALLY STILL MORE OR LESS THE SAME AS THE OLD BIKE EXEPT FOR THE NEW STYE BODYWORK AND THE FITMENT OF THE ELECTRIC START AS OPPOSED TO THE KICKSTART. ITS IDENTICAL TO THE DT230 LANZA THAT’S BEEN AROUND SINCE 96 ALTHOUGH NOT OFFICIALY IMPORTED INTO THE UK BY YAMAHA. THERE VERY EASY TO DERESTRICT COMPARED TO THE OLDER VERSION. THERE IS NO REEDSWITCH FITTED ON THESE BIKES , THE EXHAUST HAS NO RESTRICTION AS SUCH FITTED, HOWEVER IT IS FITTED WITH A HOTCAT CATALYTIC CONVERTER THAT IS WORSE THAN THE OLD RESTRICTIONS. IT IS REMOVABLE WITH DIFFICULTY , THE EXHAUST NEEDS CUTTING OPEN AT THE LARGEST PART OF THE EXPANSION CHAMBER TO GET AT IT. NO DOUBT THAT WHEN THE BIKE NEEDS ITS FIRST MOT TEST IT WILL NEED THE CAT, SO I WOULD JUST FIT A DEP SYSTEM ETC. OR A DERESTRICTED EARLY MODEL EXHAUST , THERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT FIT WITH VERY MINOR MODS. ONE BRACKET NEEDS MOVING AND THE TAILPIPE NEEDS SLEAVING AS THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIAMETERS WERE THEY JOIN THE MEET. ALSO THE INLET MANIFOLD IS RESTRICTED IN THE SAME WAY AS THE 99 TILL 03 MODELS , JUST FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE FOR THIS. SEE THE PREVIOUS SECTION FOR DETAILS. ALSO FOLLOW THE EARLIER PROCEDURE WITH THE BLACK PLASTIC BOTTLE FITTED TO THE AIRBOX TO CARB RUBBER. THE MAIN RESTRICTION ON THESE BIKES IS A REV LIMITER BUILT INTO THE CDI UNIT, BUT FORTUNATELY ITS EASILY REMOVED ON THESE MODELS. GOING INTO THE SPEEDO IS A 4 WIRE CONNECTING BLOCK, THERE ARE ONLY 3 WIRES ON THE SPEEDO SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR AND 4 WIRES ON THE LOOM SIDE. FIND THE GREEN/BLACK WIRE ON THE LOOM SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR, SNIP IT FROM THE BLOCK, EXTEND IT AND CRIMP AN EYLET ONTO IT AND EARTH IT TO THE FRAME VIA THE TOP RADIATOR MOUNT BOLT. THAT WILL REMOVE THE REVLIMITER FROM THE CDI UNIT. CHECK THE YPVS SYSTEM FOR CORRECT AJUSTMENT THE SAME WAY AS DESCRIBED AS FOR PREVIOUS MODELS. 28 TO 33 BHP FOR ALL MODELS ! THERE IS A WAY TO GAIN EVEN MORE POWER FOR THESE BIKES WITH SOME SIMPLE BOLT ON MODS. THERE ARE COUPLE OF ITALIAN BUILT YAMAHA 125,S THAT USE VIRTUALY THE SAME ENGINE AS THE DT125R. THE TDR125 AND TDR125R BELGARDA, THE TZR125R AND TZR125R BELGARDA THAT WILL DONATE THE PARTS SECOND HAND AND PRETTY CHEAP VIA EBAY ETC. THEY RUN A CHROME CYLINDER SLEAVE WITH BETTER PORTS AND A BETTER COMPRESION RATIO AND A BIG DELORTO CARB. IF YOU CAN GET THE FOLLOWING FROM ONE OF THESE BIKE YOU WILL MAKE BIG POWER FOR A DT125R. CDI CYLINDER HEAD CYLINDER BARREL DELORTO CARB WITH INLET MANIFOLD AND CARB TO AIRBOX RUBBER “INLET AND AIRBOX RUBBERS MUST COME FROM THE TDR,S AS THE AIRBOX IS DIFFERENT ON THE TZR MODELS.. THE CARBS ARE USUALY CALLED “VERGASSERS” IN GERMANY , THAT’S WERE YOUR MOST LIKELY TO FIND THESE BREAKING FOR SPARES ON EBAY ETC. YOU WONT GET AS MUCH POWER WITHOUT A CDI CONVERSION ON THE MID 99 TILL 03 DT. HOWEVER THE TDR AND TZR CDI,S ARE A STRAIGHT SWAP ON ALL DT,S FROM 89 TILL 99 . 2004 ON DT125RE AND DT125X ! THE NEW MODEL BIKES ARE REALLY STILL MORE OR LESS THE SAME AS THE OLD BIKE EXEPT FOR THE NEW STYE BODYWORK AND THE FITMENT OF THE ELECTRIC START AS OPPOSED TO THE KICKSTART. ITS IDENTICAL TO THE DT230 LANZA THAT’S BEEN AROUND SINCE 96 ALTHOUGH NOT OFFICIALY IMPORTED INTO THE UK BY YAMAHA. THERE VERY EASY TO DERESTRICT COMPARED TO THE OLDER VERSION. THERE IS NO REEDSWITCH FITTED ON THESE BIKES , THE EXHAUST HAS NO RESTRICTION AS SUCH FITTED, HOWEVER IT IS FITTED WITH A HOTCAT CATALYTIC CONVERTER THAT IS WORSE THAN THE OLD RESTRICTIONS. IT IS REMOVABLE WITH DIFFICULTY , THE EXHAUST NEEDS CUTTING OPEN AT THE LARGEST PART OF THE EXPANSION CHAMBER TO GET AT IT. NO DOUBT THAT WHEN THE BIKE NEEDS ITS FIRST MOT TEST IT WILL NEED THE CAT, SO I WOULD JUST FIT A DEP SYSTEM ETC. OR A DERESTRICTED EARLY MODEL EXHAUST , THERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT FIT WITH VERY MINOR MODS. ONE BRACKET NEEDS MOVING AND THE TAILPIPE NEEDS SLEAVING AS THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIAMETERS WERE THEY JOIN THE MEET. ALSO THE INLET MANIFOLD IS RESTRICTED IN THE SAME WAY AS THE 99 TILL 03 MODELS , JUST FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE FOR THIS. SEE THE PREVIOUS SECTION FOR DETAILS. ALSO FOLLOW THE EARLIER PROCEDURE WITH THE BLACK PLASTIC BOTTLE FITTED TO THE AIRBOX TO CARB RUBBER. THE MAIN RESTRICTION ON THESE BIKES IS A REV LIMITER BUILT INTO THE CDI UNIT, BUT FORTUNATELY ITS EASILY REMOVED ON THESE MODELS. GOING INTO THE SPEEDO IS A 4 WIRE CONNECTING BLOCK, THERE ARE ONLY 3 WIRES ON THE SPEEDO SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR AND 4 WIRES ON THE LOOM SIDE. FIND THE GREEN/BLACK WIRE ON THE LOOM SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR, SNIP IT FROM THE BLOCK, EXTEND IT AND CRIMP AN EYLET ONTO IT AND EARTH IT TO THE FRAME VIA THE TOP RADIATOR MOUNT BOLT. THAT WILL REMOVE THE REVLIMITER FROM THE CDI UNIT. CHECK THE YPVS SYSTEM FOR CORRECT AJUSTMENT THE SAME WAY AS DESCRIBED AS FOR PREVIOUS MODELS. YOU COULD CARRY OUT A RETRO FIT WITH EARLY TDR 125 PARTS BUT EVERY ONE OF THESE I HAVE DERESTRICTED SO FAR HAS HIT 80 MPH SO I WOULD NOT BOTHER AS THAT’S ABOUT THE BEST YOUR GOING TO GET FROM A DT125 WITH NO ENGINE MODS.
  • Supermoto wheels

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    £300 is a good price. Get them respoked with some stainless steel spokes and powdercoated hubs etc. I ended up running RS 125 wheels on my Yamaha to get it supermoto. But again, that wasn't cheap. By the time you've refurbished them, sure I paid more than £300 all in.
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    I saw a another post about someone who made a model of it (the original rubber airboot). But he has not been online for over a year :(. I have a 3d printer so its cheaper to print a new boot than but one.
  • tzr 125 exhaust differences

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  • The Dionysus Project (Aprilia ETX 125 Rotax 122)

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    CalumC
    Aprilia ETX Suspension Bushes Bearings Part No Dimensions Description Quantity AP8121815 12X26X12(16) GE12PW -SPHERICAL BEARING 1 AP8110037 18x24x12 HK1 812-MB Major Brand HK1812 Drawn Cup Type Needle Roller Bearing with Two Open Ends 6 AP8110067 22x28x16 HK2216-MB Major Brand HK2216 Drawn Cup Type Needle Roller Bearing with Two Open Ends 4 AP8120809/AP8110068 18x24x3mm Nitrile Rubber Rotary Shaft Oil Seal Springless Design VC Style 6 AP8163318 - Aprilia MX Shock Absorber 856715 - Aprilia RX/SX Shock Absorber AP8135848 Aprilia RX 1995 Swinging Arm AP8121121 - Swinging arm pivot bush AP8105132 - Swinging arm pivot bolt Uses same suspension linkage & swingingarm pivot bolt. The swingingarm pivot bushes are the same and are also used in the Aprilia RS 125.
  • Suspension setup for a heavier rider.

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    @HOTSHOT-III Does sound interesting, for my long-term Aphrodite project I definitely need to set this up properly. So either I'll be taking it somewhere, or I'll be learning the ins and outs to get it in the right ball-park.
  • Clutch no longer works

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    No you don't need to open up the engine all the way. It's just a push rod system, if the clutch cam isn't engaging with the push rod then it might be because the push rod has fallen beneath the cam arm so you're not able to position the cam behind the push rod. I've never had this happen to me personally, I don't recall this being an issue, but the design is very simple so there is very little to go wrong. What commonly happens is that the ball bearing inside the engine can get misplaced, which presents itself in a similar manner as you're describing. But this is not possible without dismantling the engine. In essence what you have can be pictured as below: |_._ The | is the cam that you slot from the top of the engine. When the cable is pulled, it twists the cam which acts on the first pushrod denoted here by _. This is space separated with a ball bearing, denoted by . which pushes a further push rod denoted by _. What might be possible is that you've ended up in situation where you've pulled the cam out and now the setup is like: | _._ The cam is now resting on top of the push rod and is no longer engaged with it. So when you pull the lever, nothing happens. I can't remember whether this is even possible, but if it is then you'll notice the cam is sitting a lot higher outside the engine and would be obvious. I am not sure if the pushrods are under load, but if they're not, then leaning the bike over towards the clutch may cause the rods/ball to move allowing the cam to be lowered appropriately. If that doesn't work, then no it's not a full dismantlement. It's just a case of taking the clutch cover off, and taking the clutch pressure plate off to expose the push rods. Extracting them (by leaning the bike over careful not to misplace the ball bearing) and then inserting the cam in first. BUT I REALLY don't think that's what is happening here. It's probably more likely that the clutch just needs adjusting. I'd recommend referring to the Haynes manual for this.
  • Ideas on tunning

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    @HOTSHOT-III damn just did enduro on sunday and the bike shut off instantly its having electric problems im having a very weak spark the bike doesnt turn on at all tried bypassing the killswitch and the kickstand switch no result and now i want to check the pickup coil from the stator im not that good with electrics but im trying my best to find the problem
  • Buying custom exhaust for dt 125r 1997

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    @Calum ok, thanks, and what about electronics?
  • Strange rattle when letting off revs

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    I’ve had someone listen to it as in person is obviously way better then a compressed video and think it may be the piston rings
  • Spark only when ignition is off

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    @gary76 i do have the meter but i dont really know how to use it could u help?
  • Bent frame

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    That's normal. All DTs are like that. [image: IMG-20251011-114625.jpg]
  • Imgur Image Hosting Blocked in UK...

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    CalumC
    @HOTSHOT-III Hopefully the issue gets resolved as I don't want to lose the data they're hosting. The important stuff I ought to host here to guarantee it isn't lost.
  • 14mm rear master cylinder

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    @HOTSHOT III Thanks for the reply bud yea all good on that front it’s the long pedal travel I don’t like it’s just me and how I like things