Hello all
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Well that didn't take long! Just back in from the freezing garage and lost for ideas. I bought the bike mostly complete but in bits anyway I put it back together but couldn't get the PV motor to cycle, so I tried it out on my sons 03 DT (different cdi but identical PV plug) and when I switched on the ignition the PV servo cycled, I then on my bike checked the wires from the PV multi plug to the CDI and had full continuity so I figured it must be the CDI which although running the engine OK wouldn't operate the PV servo. So last week I bought a 2nd hand CDI from evilbay and it rocked up today - this evening I plugged it in and fully expected it to cycle when I switched on the ignition - well it didn't and I'm all a bit out of ideas now. Probably should mention the PV moves freely the cables are both good and free moving and I am open to suggestions..........
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I have checked the continuity and its all good on all 5 wires as well as the PV servo working off the bike, I have also ran a on check my sons bike and when the ignition is switched on the red black wire in the 4 way block from the CDI shows 12v mine doesn't - its sort of suggesting that the replacement CDI is a dud as everything else is all ok.
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Hmm, slim but possible. What about trying your boys CDI on yours, or are they not compatible?…
What markings are on your CDI?
Edit: Sorry I just read your post through properly. I have a bad habit (among others) of skimming instead of reading…
Let us know the markings and I’ll see if I got a spare you can borrow to swap out…
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oh!! I had a problem recently with the battery feed wire (red I think), at the block connector to the key barrel, it had separated but was still pressing up against the block.
The ignition (on mine) runs from the stator. The PV is totally off of the battery…Have you checked out the PV for movement while the engine is running, revving?…
Sorry if you’ve already covered this, I’ve got ‘memory dyslexia’
…Edit:Edit: 2005 is nearly all DC I think. I’ve never had any experience with the later stator setups…
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Is your battery in good condition? Your year bike is very dependent on battery. For lights and everything. The earlier bikes had AC & DC. I believe yours is DC only…
PS sorry about the verbal diahrea, it’s been one of ‘those’ days for me
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Have you tried running the bike with the PV side cover off to see if it works at all while running? 2004 was a new wiring generation. I don’t know if they even cycle at key-turn?…
I have run it with the servo plugged in but no cables just watching the pulley and no movement through the rev range However the earlier post which says that the later ones are very DC dependant is interesting, I know the battery is OK but I haven't checked for a 12v supply going into the CDI (principally as I dont know which wire is the supply) but I have noticed a broken red wire in the loom which could be a supply ? The wiring harness is generally not in very good shape so it could or indeed probably be the problem rather than the CDI
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Yes sorry, and you've no way to test the CDI on your sons loom as presumably you have the later model DT. I will be surprised if both CDIs are broken. I made the mistake of selling my DTRE CDI after I bought a Zeeltronic, consequently it was then a nightmare trying to understand if the Zeel was faulty or if there is an issue with something else, so I promptly bought another CDI at great expense to myself.
All I can suggest is obtaining a known-working CDI to rule it out. That's all I know about the CDI.
But as I say, I'd be surprised if it's the CDI and it's more likely going to be something far simpler. Even down to something like a fuse. I know on my Cagiva, there is an inline fuse specifically for the powervalve, but as far as I remember the DTRE only has a single fuse block on the battery for the entire bike, worth checking though. And as you've alluded to, signal wires could be damaged and/or bad earths. The CDI on DTRE specifically is restricted on the PV to be retarded at RPMs above 10k and therefore there is often a Green/Black wire that will be earthed to the frame to enable "full power".
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Broken Red sounds suspicious!
The chances of 2 different CDI units having the same fault is astronomical! I’d be looking at the loom and DC from battery to PV.
My early 88 bike had a broken red wire at one of the connector blocks that go to the ignition-key. It was smooshed up and still touching, when I fixed it the power valve properly came to life. I never realised how ‘slow’ it was before. I had no ‘benchmark’…If the PV isn’t moving at all it definitely sounds like a 12V DC issue. Mend that wire!
…If the horn and indicators work without the engine running the battery & fuse is good…
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Well had another round with the Deet from hell, I was following a wiring diagram from the internet but it looked OK it showed 2 x 6 wire connectors and 1 x 4 way connectors going into the CDI which is what mine has anyway what I found was there is a 12v feed going into the CDI on ignition live through the black blue wire from the servo connector there is also a 12v feed comes from the black red wire coming from the alternator when the engine is running, also found out my new old CDI doesn't spark when encouraged so that is totally useless and obviously its going back the other thing I found was that it seems there is no volts coming out of the alternator with the engine running so probably a dud stator but still to pull the flywheel to investigate that one.Oh and the red wire, this best I can tell was a live supply to an optional alarm which I dont have so I have blanked it off
Anyhoo to summarise I have a replacement duff CDI my original CDI which may or may not be any good servo wise but it does make sparks unlike its replacement - an alternator that makes no volts and a PV servo which I know works but does not on this bike -
I bought an NSR 125 a few years ago sight unseen from evilbay, jesus what a mess when I collected it obvious 17 yr old negligence - every consumable on the bike was worn to a depressing degree tyres, brakes, chain, sprockets, air filter, piston, rings, battery,small end bearing, fork seals. along with needing a repaint and decals I bought it for something to tinker with over winter and also for the satisfaction of saving a smoker from the scrap heap (where it certainly was heading if I hadn't stepped in) so when it was Mot tested and finished I stuck it back on e bay and I think I ended up 80 quid in front on the deal. The deet is a similar project I dont really want a DT 125 as a serious bike but it is certainly worth saving just its a complete bugger and resisting my helping it
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Lovely, have you any photos of the NSR?
The thing I'll say about the DT, I've had mine nearly 13+ years and it's literally never let me down. I've not daily'd it for a few years and it's now a weekend warrior, with the occasional trip to work if I cannot be bothered to cycle, but it's a dependable little bike. Mine got stolen and wrecked beyond recognition. The situation at the time meant I didn't have money for a new bike, but always fancied a supermoto so I ended up with a modified DTR. But dayum, in original condition these days, the bikes sell for a pretty penny.
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It wouldn’t be running if it wasn’t putting something out.
I’m guessing that the lights work when you turn the key? Indicators, horn Yada-Yada?
The battery is charging?…Bitch about the CDI!
If there’s a duff wire from the stator it could be a dry solder or broken wire.
Flywheel pullers are cheap enough. Just make sure you get the proper thread sided one! I don’t know if it’s left or right. Callum will prolly know …I ended up buying both! 🫤 …
PS please let us know about the rest of the electrics!!
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I had a transit battery jump leaded to it and with the engine running it was showing 12.6v but no increase with revs so I disconnected the transit battery and went back to the deet one alone which was now at 11.7v and again no voltage increase with revs, need to see if there is anything coming out of the alternator phase wires next (I suspect not) if thats the case then the stator is goosed or if there is then the rectifier/reg is done for - will see what tomorrow brings if I have a spare hour
