DT 125 R '88... New project
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@Calum Athena 170cc set fits well into this 3BN engine, there was no problem to install it. Original piston remain about 1-2mm below deck and dome comes just about up to deck hight. Athena piston comes to deck hight and the dome is smaller and comes just over the deck. Athena claims that compression ratio is 13.2 and that is also what I endup by calculating it... combustion chamber is about 13ml and 168cc devided by that is around 13. That's not actually the real CR, since 2T engines start to compress only after the channels in the barrel when piston comes up, damn I didn't measure that part of piston travel...
Next step is to find better solution for TMX30... I ordered from ebay WR200 intake, let's see if it will line the carb better past the rear shock. If not, I may need to build up my own intake... At this point it seems that the DT230 Lanza boot was a waste of money, it does'nt seem to fit in any way... Anyone interested?
I also ordered 170cc version exhaust from Romeu Henriques, let's see how it fits and feels... Silencer will be a gianelli alu silencer...
Anyone have idea, where to start settings of that TMX30? 135 mainjet felt best last autumn... Maybe 140-150 mainjet and needle one step up?
And for all that are oppressing me to keep this as original as possible, that's not happening now... I will store all original parts for later time if I feel to return this original back again...
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Sounds like you caught the tuning bug, very serious this is.
I am surprised you needed a bigger inlet for such a small carb. You can get reducers to fit.
@calum said in DT 125 R '88... New project:
Sounds like you caught the tuning bug, very serious this is.
I've had it since 1987
I am surprised you needed a bigger inlet for such a small carb. You can get reducers to fit.
TMX30 will fit quite well to original joint, but the angle is bad... WR200 should have more horisontal angle to avoid rear shock and that joint is originally made for TMX30 carb.
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@calum said in DT 125 R '88... New project:
Sounds like you caught the tuning bug, very serious this is.
I've had it since 1987
I am surprised you needed a bigger inlet for such a small carb. You can get reducers to fit.
TMX30 will fit quite well to original joint, but the angle is bad... WR200 should have more horisontal angle to avoid rear shock and that joint is originally made for TMX30 carb.
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WR200 inlet did the trick I need:
Air filter barely misses the rear shock and frame...
Now need to modify those inlet attachment bolt holes to make it fit into crankcase...
Maybe I will loose some bottom torque due to the missing boost bottle!?
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About a week ago, I bought new project for me
My plan and idea is to keep this as original looking as possible, and maybe try to get museum register for it. That's why I'd like to change exhaust to as original look as possible... maybe gianelli painted black!? Now bike is running quite well, and papers claim it has 17kw... I think I will just ride the next summer, and take it to parts during next winter...here are few photos:
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Hmm... that's true also... So if I want to use boost bottle, I need to enlarge it about 35% to be in the same as previously 125cc!
@jgr72 I think it's a little more complicated than that. As said it's all to do with Harmonics and the resonance frequency of the engine at a particular motion in the engines cycle.
I don't know the specifics in intimate details but the idea is this.
At some point in the engines RPM cycle, there is a dip in the air pressure and consequently the engine will perform less than optimally. They characterised this phenomena with a certain frequency. They then created a body with a natural frequency that matches the signature of this phenomena. When the engine hits this frequency, and is down on oxygen, the bottle resonates, forcing reserved air into the inlet tract. This makes up for the loss charge during this period and as a result performance is restored.
Now to my mind, there are so many factors that have to be considered that it's either pure genius or pure myth...it's hard to say whether the performance with or without is noticeable, it's probably so slight but the Japs just over engineer it all.
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@calum was it really worth changing to a 32mm carb? I mean it's only a 4 mm difference from stock? Thought those 28mm mikuni carbs were well up for the job. I'm still running the 28mm with the 170 kit.
@irongamer727 It's not just the fueling, it's the amount of air you can get in as well. My brother ran a 38mm Keihin carb on his, although to be fair that was probablyt way too big. 32-34 is about right I'd say. The Aprilia RS125 ran 34 as standard and they were making 26-33bhp.
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@irongamer727 It's not just the fueling, it's the amount of air you can get in as well. My brother ran a 38mm Keihin carb on his, although to be fair that was probablyt way too big. 32-34 is about right I'd say. The Aprilia RS125 ran 34 as standard and they were making 26-33bhp.
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@declan Aprilia didn't make their engines. Just swap the swingarm when you do the engine. Simples.
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Bike is getting ready for next summer:
That exhaust chamber :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:
Gianelli silencer:
But need to twist something:
I guess it's easier to warm and twist + cat a little bit of that exhaust chamber tail pipe... Gianelli's aluminium would melt away too easily...
