Clutch
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wrote on 24 Jan 2017, 21:03 last edited by
2 stroke KTMs are renound for an unusual sound if you aren't holding the clutch in but what you are describing seems like more than just this..
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2 stroke KTMs are renound for an unusual sound if you aren't holding the clutch in but what you are describing seems like more than just this..
wrote on 24 Jan 2017, 21:17 last edited by@Mightyman this never use to do till I changed the clutch
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@Mightyman this never use to do till I changed the clutch
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wrote on 24 Jan 2017, 21:31 last edited by
Go back in and check the torque on the nuts, is it noisy? like a continuous ticking sound? Clutch plates are slipping if the revs are dying, Re-adjust the clutch action on the clutch itself.
Mine did this once, but vibration suggests bearing, or loose plates, which seems unlikely.
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Go back in and check the torque on the nuts, is it noisy? like a continuous ticking sound? Clutch plates are slipping if the revs are dying, Re-adjust the clutch action on the clutch itself.
Mine did this once, but vibration suggests bearing, or loose plates, which seems unlikely.
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Go back in and check the torque on the nuts, is it noisy? like a continuous ticking sound? Clutch plates are slipping if the revs are dying, Re-adjust the clutch action on the clutch itself.
Mine did this once, but vibration suggests bearing, or loose plates, which seems unlikely.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2017, 22:45 last edited by Ricky
What's the best way to put the metal plates in sharp side facing the engine or the smothered side I've been told it doesn't matter as long as there all the same way
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wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 07:16 last edited by
Could be worth posting a video so we can hear the noise. Might be easier than describing it
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Could be worth posting a video so we can hear the noise. Might be easier than describing it
wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 08:41 last edited by@Mightyman good idea haha I'll do it later
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wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 14:33 last edited by Ricky
A video as promised please ignore the tapping lol
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wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 17:00 last edited by
So what's the tapping?
The fact the idle goes down with the clutch in doesn't really bother me. I see that a lot, usually the thrust bearings going on the clutch, however we don't have those.
What we do have is a primary drive bearing, which if it's on its way out, will vibrate and probably cause this sort of issue.
With that sort of mileage on a two stroke, and an uncertainty of the engines age, I'd be stripping it down for a rebuild...
I don't think we're going to diagnose it really.
If it isn't what I've been suggesting then I really think it might just be an engine rebuild jobby, or paranoia.
If it was really bad then you would know. Again it all comes back to how much vibration. If it's a lot, then it's for a reason. But two strokes rattle a lot anyway so it's really hard to tell.
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So what's the tapping?
The fact the idle goes down with the clutch in doesn't really bother me. I see that a lot, usually the thrust bearings going on the clutch, however we don't have those.
What we do have is a primary drive bearing, which if it's on its way out, will vibrate and probably cause this sort of issue.
With that sort of mileage on a two stroke, and an uncertainty of the engines age, I'd be stripping it down for a rebuild...
I don't think we're going to diagnose it really.
If it isn't what I've been suggesting then I really think it might just be an engine rebuild jobby, or paranoia.
If it was really bad then you would know. Again it all comes back to how much vibration. If it's a lot, then it's for a reason. But two strokes rattle a lot anyway so it's really hard to tell.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 21:54 last edited by
From that video alone, I really can't hear anything wrong with it. Definitely could be a case of paranoia like Calum mentioned, just from knowing you've been fiddling around inside the engine. The revs dropping sounds as though it's only happening when you push it down into gear. From my experience this isn't all that uncommon with two strokes. My TDR currently does that and it's not something I'm concerned about. Although I have owned a couple of bikes that would simply cut out if you dropped them into gear without revving them quite a bit. They both had worn clutches though.. If you want serious reassurance, take it to a bike mechanic. Any decent mechanic who's worked with DTs before will be able to tell you if it's okay just by listening/taking a quick look.
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From that video alone, I really can't hear anything wrong with it. Definitely could be a case of paranoia like Calum mentioned, just from knowing you've been fiddling around inside the engine. The revs dropping sounds as though it's only happening when you push it down into gear. From my experience this isn't all that uncommon with two strokes. My TDR currently does that and it's not something I'm concerned about. Although I have owned a couple of bikes that would simply cut out if you dropped them into gear without revving them quite a bit. They both had worn clutches though.. If you want serious reassurance, take it to a bike mechanic. Any decent mechanic who's worked with DTs before will be able to tell you if it's okay just by listening/taking a quick look.
wrote on 25 Jan 2017, 22:18 last edited by@Mightyman Yeah if the dropping when it goes in gear then that's different.
Sounds like the clutch is engaging with the lever pulled in.
You could tell if you put the wheel a paddock stand and do it, if the wheel speeds uo then the clutch is engaging.
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@Mightyman Yeah if the dropping when it goes in gear then that's different.
Sounds like the clutch is engaging with the lever pulled in.
You could tell if you put the wheel a paddock stand and do it, if the wheel speeds uo then the clutch is engaging.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2017, 08:17 last edited by
My ktm exc developed a knocking /vibrating sound from the clutch side the knocking would vanish when the clutch lever was pulled in it turned out it just needed a new clutch basket damper cushion which fits between the clutch basket drive gear and the clutch basket... Can't remember if the dt 125 uses a similar set up its been a while since I've been inside that engine but could be worth looking in to! As for the revs dropping when in neutral both my dts done that to so don't think it's much to worry about.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2017, 09:05 last edited by
Yeah DT's use a cushion ring.
Pretty sure it's because your clutch isn't properly disengaged
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My ktm exc developed a knocking /vibrating sound from the clutch side the knocking would vanish when the clutch lever was pulled in it turned out it just needed a new clutch basket damper cushion which fits between the clutch basket drive gear and the clutch basket... Can't remember if the dt 125 uses a similar set up its been a while since I've been inside that engine but could be worth looking in to! As for the revs dropping when in neutral both my dts done that to so don't think it's much to worry about.
wrote on 26 Jan 2017, 10:43 last edited by@Biker_123 the revs drop when I put it in gear but to the point where it will cut out if I don't rev it
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Yeah DT's use a cushion ring.
Pretty sure it's because your clutch isn't properly disengaged
wrote on 26 Jan 2017, 10:53 last edited by Ricky@Calum do you mean this ring and what's the best way to adjust it. I lined all the marks up and pushed the arm (what the clutch cable connects to) to the front of the bike and turned the rod at the pressure plate end till the marks on the arm and crankcase meet
