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  • S SpookDog
    8 Dec 2023, 17:42

    Don’t worry! I’ve found it 2 minutes later! 🤕

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    If the rain holds off for the next day or two: I should be able to fit the seals and button up the clutch side. I’ve already prepped it with a hot detergent wash and ‘scrub/brush’ it’s just degrease assemble and fit. Same with the barrel and piston. I’ve already decoked the piston and PV and barrel-exhaust port…

    I haven’t found suitable bolts for the reed cage and inlet yet. I won’t fit the top end till that’s fitted and plugged with clean cotton waste…

    One good day or two ‘meh!’ days and I’m ready to give the bike a few soaks with shampoo detergent before getting a final jet wash. Then I can swap out the motors while fitting a new (used) rear shock…

    I still haven’t finished fitting the bottom headstock bearing to the replacement yoke! It got stuck halfway and I didn’t want to force it ‘unreasonabley’ 🙂 I can’t throw anymore heat at it because it’s got a built in oil seal! So, because I don’t know anyone with an hydraulic press, I need to find a suitable sized tube to ‘beat it on squarely’ 😜
    I’d kinda gotten used to the ‘clicky’ front end because it tracked truly, unlike before when it used to favour a few degrees to the left or right ‘Unsafe at any speed over 40’ springs to mind!…

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    SpookDog
    wrote on 9 Dec 2023, 13:14 last edited by
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    Any tips on fitting the Athena head? Is the inner cap supposed to be a tight or a loose fit? It took a bit of heat to separate it from the outer head-cap. I’d imagine that it’s a ‘good’ fit that is held in place by the rubber seal around the spark plug section?
    Be nice to know tho! 😜 …

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      Calum
      wrote on 9 Dec 2023, 13:25 last edited by
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      The athena head drops into the skull cap as a snug fit, then miraculously becomes a nightmare to remove 🤣 At least that was my experience.

      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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        9 Dec 2023, 13:25

        The athena head drops into the skull cap as a snug fit, then miraculously becomes a nightmare to remove 🤣 At least that was my experience.

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        SpookDog
        wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 17:04 last edited by SpookDog 12 Oct 2023, 17:04
        #796

        @Calum

        Cheers bud! That’s is actually very helpful!…

        OMG! I have fallen in love with Permatex Copper gasket spray! Why haven’t I found this before? It really is the mongrels dangles! Perfect application 😇

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          MadGyver
          wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 17:33 last edited by MadGyver 12 Nov 2023, 20:00
          #797

          @SpookDog Permatex Copper gasket spray,if needed It can be easily removed with nitro thinner.

          I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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          • M MadGyver
            10 Dec 2023, 17:33

            @SpookDog Permatex Copper gasket spray,if needed It can be easily removed with nitro thinner.

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            SpookDog
            wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 12:41 last edited by
            #798

            @MadGyver

            Nitro, What is dat? Model fuel?…

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            • S SpookDog
              11 Dec 2023, 12:41

              @MadGyver

              Nitro, What is dat? Model fuel?…

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              SpookDog
              wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 13:18 last edited by SpookDog 12 Nov 2023, 13:19
              #799

              Do the piston rings go a particular way on an Athena piston? I can’t see any difference between them. The only thing that might be a marking is a [ kind of shape, but horizontal. That’s only on one ring though…

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              • S SpookDog
                11 Dec 2023, 13:18

                Do the piston rings go a particular way on an Athena piston? I can’t see any difference between them. The only thing that might be a marking is a [ kind of shape, but horizontal. That’s only on one ring though…

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                Calum
                wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 13:32 last edited by
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                @SpookDog No? I just put them in so that the text was facing upwards and that the ring end gaps met the dowels in the piston grooves.

                Wossner are notorious for leaving one of the ring end gaps out of spec, gives the fitter flexibility to dial it in. The Athena ones I done recently were both spot on, but needless to say, you should check it against the spec.

                Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                • S SpookDog
                  11 Dec 2023, 13:18

                  Do the piston rings go a particular way on an Athena piston? I can’t see any difference between them. The only thing that might be a marking is a [ kind of shape, but horizontal. That’s only on one ring though…

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                  SpookDog
                  wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 15:44 last edited by
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                  Oh well, I chucked it on anyways!…

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                  I did have help from a friend though…

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                  Taught me how to feather the throttle 🙂 …

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                    Calum
                    wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 16:52 last edited by
                    #802

                    Don't chuck it on FFS! Amatuers! Place it on lovingly. Caress it, hold it, love it!

                    Does look good though! I mean fair play to you and your workbench! You're doing it guerilla stylie.

                    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                      11 Dec 2023, 16:52

                      Don't chuck it on FFS! Amatuers! Place it on lovingly. Caress it, hold it, love it!

                      Does look good though! I mean fair play to you and your workbench! You're doing it guerilla stylie.

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                      SpookDog
                      wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 16:57 last edited by SpookDog 12 Nov 2023, 17:09
                      #803

                      @Calum

                      Chuck is a term of affection from me! 🙂 Seriously! All new bearings and seals throughout, new Jamasil crank. I can’t afford to be ‘blasé’ 😳 I even removed, cleaned the threads, greased and re-inserted the barrel base studs and dowels to a tightness that they’re removable in the future, if needs be. The head studs I always remove and service…

                      Labour of Dove 🤔 …

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                      It’s getting there! Little by little, weather permitting…

                      WTFux! it’s just started raining! 🤪 …

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                        Calum
                        wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 17:10 last edited by
                        #804

                        Doing a great job bud! Keep it up.

                        Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                          11 Dec 2023, 17:10

                          Doing a great job bud! Keep it up.

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                          SpookDog
                          wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 17:11 last edited by SpookDog 12 Nov 2023, 17:32
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                          @Calum

                          The umbrella? 😜 …

                          Blaster 200 small end bearing didn’t fit. Was too wide to fit inside the piston. Luckily I had a dtr bearing that has wider roller/needles than the others I’ve got. Even with a bit of side to side play it still has good coverage of the conrods top eye width…

                          PS I just noticed that the Athena top end gasket set doesn’t include the orange PV bush seal! For nearly £50 you’d think they’d include it?!…

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                            11 Dec 2023, 17:11

                            @Calum

                            The umbrella? 😜 …

                            Blaster 200 small end bearing didn’t fit. Was too wide to fit inside the piston. Luckily I had a dtr bearing that has wider roller/needles than the others I’ve got. Even with a bit of side to side play it still has good coverage of the conrods top eye width…

                            PS I just noticed that the Athena top end gasket set doesn’t include the orange PV bush seal! For nearly £50 you’d think they’d include it?!…

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                            SpookDog
                            wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 19:09 last edited by SpookDog 12 Nov 2023, 19:11
                            #806

                            Ready to drop in. All torqued and tight! Only the 2T pump left to fettle, I’ve got 3 to find the bestest one. I can finish off the tank of premix anyways 🙂 …

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                            Just gonna replace the rear shock while the swingarm bolt is out. It doesn’t feel broken but it was crusty 30,000 miles ago. So, yeah! There is that…

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                            • S SpookDog
                              11 Dec 2023, 12:41

                              @MadGyver

                              Nitro, What is dat? Model fuel?…

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                              MadGyver
                              wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 19:55 last edited by
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                              @SpookDog said in So Close!...:

                              @MadGyver

                              Nitro, What is dat? Model fuel?…

                              Nitro paint thinner. It dillutes paints and a lot other uses.

                              I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                                11 Dec 2023, 17:11

                                @Calum

                                The umbrella? 😜 …

                                Blaster 200 small end bearing didn’t fit. Was too wide to fit inside the piston. Luckily I had a dtr bearing that has wider roller/needles than the others I’ve got. Even with a bit of side to side play it still has good coverage of the conrods top eye width…

                                PS I just noticed that the Athena top end gasket set doesn’t include the orange PV bush seal! For nearly £50 you’d think they’d include it?!…

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                                MadGyver
                                wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 20:12 last edited by
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                                @SpookDog said in So Close!...:

                                @Calum

                                The umbrella? 😜 …

                                Blaster 200 small end bearing didn’t fit. Was too wide to fit inside the piston. Luckily I had a dtr bearing that has wider roller/needles than the others I’ve got. Even with a bit of side to side play it still has good coverage of the conrods top eye width…

                                PS I just noticed that the Athena top end gasket set doesn’t include the orange PV bush seal! For nearly £50 you’d think they’d include it?!…

                                To fit the small end bearing from the Blaster you need to file each side inside of the piston 0,5mm. To be on the safe side I removed 0,75mm from each side for when everything heats and diolates.

                                I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                                  11 Dec 2023, 20:12

                                  @SpookDog said in So Close!...:

                                  @Calum

                                  The umbrella? 😜 …

                                  Blaster 200 small end bearing didn’t fit. Was too wide to fit inside the piston. Luckily I had a dtr bearing that has wider roller/needles than the others I’ve got. Even with a bit of side to side play it still has good coverage of the conrods top eye width…

                                  PS I just noticed that the Athena top end gasket set doesn’t include the orange PV bush seal! For nearly £50 you’d think they’d include it?!…

                                  To fit the small end bearing from the Blaster you need to file each side inside of the piston 0,5mm. To be on the safe side I removed 0,75mm from each side for when everything heats and diolates.

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                                  SpookDog
                                  wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 20:23 last edited by SpookDog 12 Nov 2023, 20:32
                                  #809

                                  @MadGyver

                                  Fux! I wish I’d known that before I buttoned it all up! 😉 …
                                  I’ve been on a bit of a tight deadline with it, weather wise. Not to mention the strange noises I’ve been ignoring coming from my existing engine. I can’t wait to do an autopsy on it!…

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                                    11 Dec 2023, 20:23

                                    @MadGyver

                                    Fux! I wish I’d known that before I buttoned it all up! 😉 …
                                    I’ve been on a bit of a tight deadline with it, weather wise. Not to mention the strange noises I’ve been ignoring coming from my existing engine. I can’t wait to do an autopsy on it!…

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                                    SpookDog
                                    wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 16:35 last edited by SpookDog 12 Dec 2023, 16:39
                                    #810

                                    A little tip for people like me who have to ‘apply’ bearings with a hammer and ‘drift’ 🙂

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                                    Use a jubilee clip to hold in place whatever tool you are using, in my case a screwdriver…

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                                    Make sure it’s clear of the bearing, especially the race. It allows more of the force to be applied downwards, without worrying so much about slipping and destroying the roller~race. It makes the blows less ‘tentative’, more effective. It really makes a difference…

                                    If you have a suitable tube then ignore me! 😉 …

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                                      Calum
                                      wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 16:52 last edited by
                                      #811

                                      I just bought the stearing stem bearing tool.

                                      https://www.dirtbikexpress.co.uk/products/apico-steering-stem-bearing-installation-tool?variation=51559

                                      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                                        12 Dec 2023, 16:52

                                        I just bought the stearing stem bearing tool.

                                        https://www.dirtbikexpress.co.uk/products/apico-steering-stem-bearing-installation-tool?variation=51559

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                                        SpookDog
                                        wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 17:32 last edited by SpookDog 12 Dec 2023, 17:33
                                        #812

                                        @Calum

                                        Then ignore me! 😜 …

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                                        Just found this while looking for some connector blocks and trying to find the proper gauge/amp wire:

                                        early loom

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                                          12 Dec 2023, 17:32

                                          @Calum

                                          Then ignore me! 😜 …

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                                          Just found this while looking for some connector blocks and trying to find the proper gauge/amp wire:

                                          early loom

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                                          OllieDTR
                                          wrote on 13 Dec 2023, 19:46 last edited by
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                                          @SpookDog

                                          He makes all types of wiring looms for the dts and he’s local to us

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