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  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Well she's up and running again, I stripped my engine completely and split the crankcases.
    http://i.imgur.com/hwhiJUC.jpg?2
    http://i.imgur.com/9HYlAnw.jpg?1
    Then looked on ebay and found a running engine for £250 plus delivery. So i've bought that and installed it back into the bike. It's from a later 4bl bike and i've found that you can use the later stator with the early style wiring loom and cdi. Just have to change the connectors over! Only thing i'm having trouble with is my speedo keeps turning on and off (koso clocks) So i'll just wire it to the battery. Went out for a rip with my friend who just recently purchased a ktm 125 six days and that is a complete different league in terms of bike. So much more grunt than what i am used to! Still though dt kept up with him at about 70mph but he said he wasn't wide open.
    http://i.imgur.com/fA2HyQ8.jpg?1
    So i plan on keeping this offroad setup now, much more fun when you have a friend to ride with and a bike with an engine that doesn't break. Completely fell in love with it again, however my clutch cable frayed so i had to ride about 8 miles home with not clutch, was quite easy to be honest hardest part is getting going

    My plan now is to rebuild my original engine, new rod, big end and crank bearings. Gearbox bearings etc seals you get it complete bottom end rebuild. Then maybe a 170 with ports corrected 😉 Who knows, but next payday this things having a powervalve servo fitted onto it

    DTR

  • 3mb00 barrel with a 3bn head...
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    @MIGHTYMAN Possibly Mick Abbey?

    Engine

  • Dt200r
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    There's something really nice about a standard clean DT that just does it for me

    General Discussion dt200r

  • DT 200 wr(3xp) wiring loom on dtr125
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    What year is the loom? I'll have a look at a wiring diagram and let you know which wires you need for the ignition barrel and hopefully un hotwire it. However the main ignitions wires seem to be Red and Brown, so disconnecting those two should effectively stop it running and connecting the black cable to the black and white. Atleast that's what the ignition switch does when you turn it off, also there are some others that it connects in regards to lighting. If you wish i'll upload the haynes diagram and keys for you to have a flick through if you don't have access?

    Electrics

  • FAQ Top End Rebuilds, Running in, Common Problems
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Stolen this of of the old site, thought it was valuable information. Credit to darkangel

    Parts you need:

    Top end gasket set (base gasket, head gasket, exhaust gasket)
    Piston kit (Piston, rings, expander ring, circlips, piston rod)
    Top end bearing
    
    1. Remove sidepanels.
    2. Remove seat.
    3. Remove fuel tank
    4. Remove front exhaust and throw away old copper exhaust gasket
    5. Drain coolant (open the coolant drain plug, located to the right of the oil drain plug on the right side of the engine case, open the radiator cap.
    6. Disconnect spark plug
    7. Observe the top of the cylinder head, there is a large pipe that leads from the radiator onto it, its very obvious, use a screwdriver to undo the binder on it and slide it off.
    8. Observe the head again, you should see that there are some metal supports that bolt from the frame onto the cylinder head, undo and remove these supports (i used a breaker bar and a wrench, one each side, they can be tight)
    9. On the northeast side of the head there is a temperature sensor, remove the connector that goes into it, it should just pull out.
    10. There should be two hoses still attatched to the cylinder head that lead to the carb, squeeze the binders (i used pliers) and slide them down the hose, then pull the hoses off.
    11. There should now be nothing attatched to the cylinder head, carefully loosen the bolts on the head one by one in a diagonal motion (good idea to check out the haynes manual for this).
    12. Now try and pull the cylinder head off, if you find the powervalve servo is in the way, remove it, if you cant remove it undo the rear panel on it so that the motor and wires are showing, this will give you just enough room to slide the head and barrel off. At this point you need to remove the pullies attatched to the powervalve anyway.
    13. Throw old head gasket away.
    14. Carefully loosen the bolts holding the barrel on at its base, and once undone gently tap the barrel free using a mallet or the rubber end of a screwdriver and a hammer (but be VERY careful, take your time and be very gentle not to dent the barrel)
    15. Before removing the barrel observe the position of the piston and using the kickstart (or if you dont have one you could try putting the bike in gear and pushing it slowly) make the piston reach the lowest position in its cycle to help the barrel removal.
    16. Take your time and get someone to help you, you need to slide the barrel up and free from the piston and anything else that is holding it in its place like the protruding threads, have someone hold the barrel up while you observe where you need to move it next to get it out of the bike, it can be quite tricky.
    17. shove a high quality rag (make sure its clean and does not flake apart) into the bottom of the engine to stop dirt getting in, it doesn't have to be a rag aslong as it doesn't flake apart and leave bits inside the engine it should work.
    18. take some time now to carefully peel off any gasket left on the cylinder head, barrel and base of the engine, DO NOT USE A KNIFE or anything that will scratch the surface, use your fingernail, scratches cause an air leak and this will cause you to lose coolant. While you are at it try and clean away some of the carbon in the combustion area inside the cylinder head.
    19. Using some needle nose pliers pull the circlips out of the old piston, and push the piston rod out, if it wont move, brace the piston and con rod with one hand and get a large screwdriver and you should be able to carefully push it out, just dont hit it with a hammer.
    20. Remove the piston and the small end bearing out of the top of the conrod.
    21. Put the base gasket on, it should only match up with the holes one way round, some base gaskets are no properly cut to the water channels, if your gasket covers up one of the channels i suggest cutting it out so water moves freely.
    22. Prepare the new piston, possition the piston so that the arrow is facing forwards and put the circlip in the left side, it should go in with a bit of force. Get the piston rings out and put the expander ring in the lower groove, the rings are supposed to be different sizes but often its not obvious, slide a side of the ring in the upper and lower ring grove to see if it fits better in one, if it fits equally well in both then you'll have to check out the haynes manual to see if it says anything about tapered edges. Put the rings on and now coat the piston, rings, piston rod and new small end bearing with 2-stroke oil.
    23. Put the new small end bearing into the conrod and slide the piston over it, the arrow should be facing forward, push the 2-stroke covered piston rod through the right hand side of the piston, it might need a little force to get it all the way in. If everything looks good then put the remaining circlip on.
    24. With the piston still at the bottom of its stroke, remove the rag from inside the engine and get someone to help you. Apply a thin coating of 2-stroke on the cylinder walls to help lubrication, then you need to hold the piston rings tightly so that they are as flush with the piston as possible and are in their correct places, get the friend to maneuver the barrel onto the piston while you make sure its going in stright and not damaging the rings. Try not to twist the barrel when the piston is inside as the rings can catch.
    25. If the barrel is now firmly on and the piston moves inside it properly then you have done the hardest part, all you need to do now is follow the steps in reverse, start by bolting the barrel on and putting your new head gasket on, hold it on the little tab that says "UP" and dont forget to put your new exhaust gasket in.

    When everything is back together:

    make sure all parts of the cooling system and the engine are done up tight!

    (Do this step each time you start the bike till its run in)
    Start the engine like you would normally (choke?), do not let it idle, keep varying the revs never letting it sit at a constant speed, touch the top of the radiator, once this is hot get on the bike and take it for a ride for 15-20 mins, after the ride let the bike cool for a MINIMUM of an hour, make sure the bike is stone cold before starting it again.

    Before you go out remember to keep looking at the thermometer!!!! if anything has gone wrong its an early warning! Anything up to half way across the bar is safe.

    1'st ride: Gear 1 and 2, never going past 1/2 revs, do not lug the engine, vary the revs and use lots of engine breaking, no hard acceleration.

    2'nd ride: Gear 1,2,3 and 4 not going past 3/4 revs, do not lug the engine, vary the revs and use lots of engine breaking, no hard acceleration.

    3'rd ride: Use all the gears, but go easy and do not redline the bike

    4'th ride: Go for a longer ride 30-45 mins, all the gears, no red-lining.

    5'th ride: Your bike is run in! just let it cool down properly one last time.


    If you have had a full engine rebuild I don't suggest using this run in method, its likely too harsh on the new bottom end.
    Be creative.
    I suggest following the steps steps up untill the '2nd ride', then you should continue babying the bike for a few hundred miles gradually increasing the gears and rev range you use.

    First 100 miles : DO NOT RAG THE BIKE, just get on some back roads and keep the revs and speed low, use lots of engine breaking.

    First 200 miles : DO NOT RAG THE BIKE, you can start rolling on the throttle to 7 or 8K, no hard acceleration though, and dont stay at high revs

    First 300 miles : DO NOT RAG THE BIKE, your good to use the whole rev range in all the gears now, just try stay away from motorways, dual carriageways e.c.t

    First 400 miles : The bike is run in, i wouldn't suggest you race the bike till the 600 mile mark however


    Problems you might have with your bike:

    Leaking oil:

    First identify where the oil is leaking from, the most common thing to leak is transmission fluid.

    you MUST top up any oil that you lose while riding the bike, if you know you are leaking oil then check it frequently or fix it asap, if you run out of transmission oil the worst case is a siezed or destroyed clutch, the best case are ruined bearings, its not good to let this happen.

    Leaking from the gear lever: Buy new oil seal, you should be able to remove it and get a new one on with minimal dissasembly.

    Leaking from the engine case gasket: Buy new engine case gasket, drain oil, remove kick starter and any obstructions, remove casing and put a new gasket on, its an easy fix. leak may cause milky oil.

    Leaking from the crankcases: Game over man! its time to take the engine to bits or send it to a mechanic, however allot of the time it may appear to be leaking from the crankcase when it actually isn't, may also cause milky oil.

    Can you use regular 4 stroke 15w40 oil as transmission oil? YES, but the clutch may slip more

    Coolant Loss

    Check your radiator, if the level decreases over a period of time you have a problem.
    Just filling it back up will work for a while, i managed to go 400 miles on the motorway with a blown headgasket, two bottles of de-ionized water in my bag from halfords i had to stop and 'water' my bike every 15 miles...it wasn't fun.

    My bike lost coolant WTF? it wasn't leaking! : Head gasket, base gasket, crankcase leak or a leak somewhere else, its unlikely for coolant to dissapear and leave nothing visible

    My bike leaks coolant from near the sidestand area : Thats the pressure valve, head gasket failure

    My rad/ expansion bottle is full of black stuff : head gasket failure imminent, your gasket is flaking apart, or you rebuilt the engine and didn't flush the system.

    My expansion bottle blew out : head gasket

    My bike is overheating but not losing coolant : thermostat, running very lean, radiator damaged or not working properly, coolant system blocked

    I just rebuilt my bike and its leaking coolant again! : you didn't clean the surfaces of the cylinder head and barrel properly (likely), or the head is warped (unlikely) or cracked (very unlikely), or base gasket

    My cylinder head/barrel is warped! : Rebore/skim
    My cylinder head/barrel is cracked! : depends where the crack is and how big, if its inside the water jacket you better start looking for a new barrel/head, if its just a little chip on the surface then a skim will sort it

    Engine noises

    A rattle at varying rpm ranges, for example 1k-1.4k no rattle 1.5k rattle 1.6k-2k no rattle and so on, you can hear it very well in neutral if you rev the engine and then let the revs drop down to idle : Either you need a new top end rebuild, you need new piston rings or your piston-barrel clearance is too high and you need a rebore

    Vibration through footpegs or a loud rumble : Get the bottom end looked at, probably big end bearings

    Engine

  • Aftermarket parts
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    @Calum If you go direct through his store, it's a bit cheaper http://www.bikerpartshop.com/en/28-yamaha

    General Discussion

  • Aftermarket parts
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Never really found a great one website for aftermarket parts, however sips scootershop seem to have a wide range of carbs they sell. That's where i got my tmx30 from. Wemoto sell alot of bike parts, however they're mostly things like consumables but they do have some nice things like reeds and all. eBay is great place for exhausts and little parts

    General Discussion

  • Which Head Gasket
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Right i've always had problems with the head gasket on my bike, i started off with a cheap one which i believe warped my head. So i skimmed the head and put an athena gasket on. This was still blowing and that engine went bang. So i bough a new engine and it still had a cheap white gasket, however it had not been blowing until recently. The old engine only had a 3bn head anyway so i took my 3mb head and skimmed it again and i'm ready to put it on now but i've got an option on a headgasket, shall i go for a genuine yamaha or try out the copper head gasket? I've always heard about the copper gaskets but never tried one myself, what are everyones opinions on them?

    General Discussion

  • Yamaha DT125R '01 - Running Project
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    So what's the difference with the ignitech CDI and the Zeeltronic? Only just heard of the ignitechs

    DTR porting ignitech 4dl dtr wr200

  • Yamaha DT125R '01 - Running Project
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    I'm liking it!

    DTR porting ignitech 4dl dtr wr200

  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Ah right, fair enough then! I look forward to seeing it.

    I wouldn't say i'm deadly serious about chasing the most power out of it, just things that i can consider in the future. I must confess that i rode the bike around my street the other day to check it ran right. It sure does run good, scared me half to death when i hit the powerband. I have no servo so there's absolutely no power then it just pulled off in an instant. Plenty enough power in it for me at the moment, put a whopping great smile on my face too.

    Thankyou though, never really saw the bike coming close to being finished

    DTR

  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    Decided i should transfer my project over to the new site!

    Well here is my first ever project, bought myself a 1990 DTR frame. My plan is to convert it into a supermoto (may not happen considering DTX wheels are hard to find) have it with a white powdercoated frame, swingarm and fork legs.

    then maybe have a secondary colour of red or blue, undecided yet. Well here goes

    Starting off with a poorly painted frame by the previous owner, apparently it was one of his projects which he gave up with after being unable to find a wiring loom and needing money to get a new engine for his car as his current one had shat itself. Amazing how you can post something so large from London to South East Wales for only £15!!!

    http://i.imgur.com/dCYFOKY.jpg?2

    Also bagged myself a swingarm with the chain guide and brake cover.

    http://i.imgur.com/M9gzeyW.jpg?2

    I Also decided to get all of the bolts that hold on the rear grab handle, some of the bolts had already been snapped so i tried to cut a slot in them and undo it with a flat head screwdriver.. this didn't work.
    http://i.imgur.com/tYptvkz.jpg?2

    The bolt is too skinny to accept enough force, just snapped off. I then swiftly realised that the previous owner had painted the frame without taking any of the screws out... then left the bike out in the elements for a good 3 years (MOT expired that time).

    So none of these bolts are coming out. My best bet now is to drill and retap the threads. Any recomendations for a good drill and tap set? Seems like this project is going to involve alot of money spent on tools aswell..

    DTR

  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    @Biker_123 Definitely supermoto, i never go off the road really as there isn't anywhere decent round here and i prefer to get the bike over on a nice road! Thanks dude, but it's too plain for me at the moment. But i've got more important things to fix than aesthetics first

    DTR

  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    So finally caught that bike bug again, always had a hit and miss relationship with this bike the fact that it keeps breaking down. I think i have found my reason why, everytime i take my piston out it is a four point seizure, this indicates running lean. I thought that skimming my head would rectify this as i originally thought it was an overheating issue. However upon closer inspection it is still running lean, i believe some of this is to do with my oil pump. I've got it set all the way in the junction box to the carb, so my oil pump is already damn near full wack at idle. Which is why i eat through a litre of oil in about 2-250 miles and why it breaks, apparently too much oil can upset the Air to fuel ratio causing a lean condition.

    So still on a full engine rebuild i've gotten to work, today i got the engine out of the bike and i've fallen in love with working on this thing. Everything is so simple and easy to get to and all using conventional sizes. So in just an hour and a half i've had the bike from completely together to stripped apart with the engine out. Whilst it is off the road i'm going to respray the tank as it has rust holes everywhere that need filling and tank needs respraying.
    http://i.imgur.com/LBAV798.jpg?1
    http://i.imgur.com/oNIVAJE.jpg?1
    http://i.imgur.com/hwhiJUC.jpg?1
    Not a bad transformation, so cute how small this engine really is. That's my days work done today, was going to sand down the tank and get it primered tomorrow but i'm off with my brother to view a car. Need to order an impact driver so i can take the stock screws out and then with it apart i'm going to clean and paint the engine! Atleast this is what i hope to do, also going to go a jet larger in the main aswell as get the right throttle cable

    DTR

  • DTR Build Up
    ConnorDTRC ConnorDTR

    @Darty Thing is though i know i'll never get back what i've put into this bike money wise! It's very nice though to have a toy lying about, it's a good fun bike when i'm going for it. i'll give brake cleaner a go, that think works wonders! My college tutor was using it to clean class tables aha!

    @Biker_123 i agree, this would definitely be something i regret through my life. I genuinely think i should just tuck it away until i can afford it again

    DTR
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