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  • Irongamer727I Offline
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    Irongamer727
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    Rad scoops?

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      Irongamer727
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      It's not like the engine is 57°. The coolant is.

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      • Irongamer727I Irongamer727

        It's not like the engine is 57°. The coolant is.

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        Glynn123
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        @irongamer727 yes, the coolant should run around 80-100 degrees optimal. Also rad scoops as in the plastic sheild infront of the radiator. My Dt wouldn't go over 40 degrees without it.

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        • Glynn123G Glynn123

          @irongamer727 yes, the coolant should run around 80-100 degrees optimal. Also rad scoops as in the plastic sheild infront of the radiator. My Dt wouldn't go over 40 degrees without it.

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          @glynn123 ehm well, I have that mounted yes. Would be a terrible cooling system if it were to boil at operating temperature. Sounds like your jetting is off.

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            @glynn123 ehm well, I have that mounted yes. Would be a terrible cooling system if it were to boil at operating temperature. Sounds like your jetting is off.

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            @irongamer727 no, it won't boil until well past 120 degrees with proper coolant, especially not in a pressurised system.
            For the engine to be running optimal it needs to be close to boiling point, under 70 degrees is low, cars sit at 90-100 degrees all day, so why shouldn't a bike?
            As for my jetting it's been plug chopped and is on the slight rich side, but not by much.

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            • Glynn123G Glynn123

              @irongamer727 no, it won't boil until well past 120 degrees with proper coolant, especially not in a pressurised system.
              For the engine to be running optimal it needs to be close to boiling point, under 70 degrees is low, cars sit at 90-100 degrees all day, so why shouldn't a bike?
              As for my jetting it's been plug chopped and is on the slight rich side, but not by much.

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              @glynn123 90% of cars are not performance tuned, not sure where you got that information but pretty sure that's incorrect. You don't want your engine to run that hot, or rather the coolant. And you don't want an engine to run at sub 50 degrees. But 100 sounds too high, and 50 too low. The hotter an engine, the greater the risk of detonation.

              As for performance, the hotter the engine, the more heat you'll add to the combustable mix. Vaporising fuel before it has a chance to ignite and increasing the pressure of air in the inlet tract (reducing the amount of available oxygen molecules).

              Therefore, the hotter an engine, the worse it'll perform.

              The only reason you don't want to run an engine at low temperatures is due to the fact of thermal coexpansions of differing materials.

              The opposite is infact true. Provided you can ignite the mixture (I.E. there is enough heat), the cooler an engine can run, the more performant it'll be.

              Why? Facts.

              The cooler the operating temperature of an engine, the tighter the tolerances can be. If that's true, then you can run the piston closer to the deck, and raise the compression without the risk of preignition.

              If that's true, you can obtain a better burn of the combustible mix, ensuring increased power.

              However, to add to the point that if the engine is really good at cooling, then the "Energy" of the system, heat produced by igniting the mixture, will be absorbed through the cooling system rather than being used to drive the piston.

              With that said, I guess there is logic to what you said.

              I think there is a middle ground, I don't think the hotter the engine the more performant, hence why we don't see a lot of high performance air cooled engines. But similarly, cooling the engine can have adverse effects.

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                rolz82
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                So same again today, was hard to start, once started it would idle fine then the idling would get faster on it's own? The gradually go back down, then it would do the same again, had it idling on the stand for 15 mins and temp was way over half way![0_1521989052033_IMG_20180325_134341.jpg](Uploading 100%)

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                  Tdr https://imgur.com/gallery/Nb5X7

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                    So same again today, was hard to start, once started it would idle fine then the idling would get faster on it's own? The gradually go back down, then it would do the same again, had it idling on the stand for 15 mins and temp was way over half way![0_1521989052033_IMG_20180325_134341.jpg](Uploading 100%)

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                    @rolz82 does it have the expansion bottle in the rubber manifold between carb and reeds? Mine raises and lowers its idle on its own with that bottle, originally I thought it was an air leak and tried all sorts, once I plugged the axpansion bottle off it would idle perfect, but did lose abit of power so put it back on.

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                    • Glynn123G Glynn123

                      @rolz82 does it have the expansion bottle in the rubber manifold between carb and reeds? Mine raises and lowers its idle on its own with that bottle, originally I thought it was an air leak and tried all sorts, once I plugged the axpansion bottle off it would idle perfect, but did lose abit of power so put it back on.

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                      @glynn123 lol are you trolling?

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                      • R rolz82

                        So same again today, was hard to start, once started it would idle fine then the idling would get faster on it's own? The gradually go back down, then it would do the same again, had it idling on the stand for 15 mins and temp was way over half way![0_1521989052033_IMG_20180325_134341.jpg](Uploading 100%)

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                        Irongamer727
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                        @rolz82 clean the carb, check the reeds, check plug.

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                          rolz82
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                          I've checked the plug it was oily, I'll have to clean the carb tomorrow and check the reeds

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                          • Irongamer727I Irongamer727

                            @glynn123 lol are you trolling?

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                            @irongamer727 don't know what you're getting at, I'm referring to the boost bottle, think they called it the YIPS system. Stores fuel and air mix for throttle blips and high loads, hence why it raises and lowers idle itself as the pressure settles in the boost bottle. Also helps with stalling etc.

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                              @irongamer727 don't know what you're getting at, I'm referring to the boost bottle, think they called it the YIPS system. Stores fuel and air mix for throttle blips and high loads, hence why it raises and lowers idle itself as the pressure settles in the boost bottle. Also helps with stalling etc.

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                              rolz82
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                              @glynn123 think it's called the yeis bottle ( Yamaha energy induction system) something like that

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                                So my DTR never started without choke. That's considered normal for these engines.

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                                  So my DTR never started without choke. That's considered normal for these engines.

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                                  @calum sometimes with a fresh plug mine starts without choke although extremely rare for me

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