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    SpookDog
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    I’d get a pump up spray bottle and squirt it down on a hot dry day. Start on the obvious ignition bits. Plug, coil, CDI. Try the sidestand switch as well maybe. My mate had probs with the sidestand/ignition relay as well. It would only start with the ignition switch off...

    The high rev thing is weird though. Have you looked at the plug straight after it dies? See if it’s wet? Specially if you been playing with the jets...

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      I’d get a pump up spray bottle and squirt it down on a hot dry day. Start on the obvious ignition bits. Plug, coil, CDI. Try the sidestand switch as well maybe. My mate had probs with the sidestand/ignition relay as well. It would only start with the ignition switch off...

      The high rev thing is weird though. Have you looked at the plug straight after it dies? See if it’s wet? Specially if you been playing with the jets...

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      declan
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      @SpookDog jetting is fine it runs well on dry days it’s completely dead at the moment fuel in the cylinder spark but no starting so I’ll strip it back down and go over everything yet again

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        Is the strong Tickover a wet day or any day thing?
        Also you got a spark now but is it still wet where you are?
        It’s not always easy trying to fault find without the bike in front of you. I had a CDI fail on me once and that was (I was told) affected by temperature. If you warmed it up with a hairdryer it was supposed to make it work. It was an intermittent fault that I couldn’t pinpoint. Especially when there are two separate ‘symptoms ‘
        Let us know if there’s any other faults or things that come to mind...

        Also, what year is your bike? I’m wondering if it has the early stator with three coils. One for charging, one for lights and one for ignition...

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          Is the strong Tickover a wet day or any day thing?
          Also you got a spark now but is it still wet where you are?
          It’s not always easy trying to fault find without the bike in front of you. I had a CDI fail on me once and that was (I was told) affected by temperature. If you warmed it up with a hairdryer it was supposed to make it work. It was an intermittent fault that I couldn’t pinpoint. Especially when there are two separate ‘symptoms ‘
          Let us know if there’s any other faults or things that come to mind...

          Also, what year is your bike? I’m wondering if it has the early stator with three coils. One for charging, one for lights and one for ignition...

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          @SpookDog it’s the early stator if I remember right and it runs great all weathers I can jet wash it and it will be fine it’s just riding in puddles I’m not splashing them it’s just as soon as I touch them the bike either dies or tries to

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            That can’t be right. It’s just too weird...
            You need to try and recreate the fault. Make your own puddle. Have the bike running and slowly(without splashing) push it in and see what happens. Don’t forget the tires chuck up a line of spray in the wet. Straight up at the front of the engine and under the tank area. That would be my first guess...
            If it’s like you say though, maybe it’s a weird earth problem. Doesn’t make any sense though...
            How much did the loom cost? I’ve only seen silly prices for used ones. £150+!

            With the stator I was gonna suggest changing the ignition coil, it’s not easy. Needs soldering I think. I’ve got one from an old stator that I know was working that you can have...

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              That can’t be right. It’s just too weird...
              You need to try and recreate the fault. Make your own puddle. Have the bike running and slowly(without splashing) push it in and see what happens. Don’t forget the tires chuck up a line of spray in the wet. Straight up at the front of the engine and under the tank area. That would be my first guess...
              If it’s like you say though, maybe it’s a weird earth problem. Doesn’t make any sense though...
              How much did the loom cost? I’ve only seen silly prices for used ones. £150+!

              With the stator I was gonna suggest changing the ignition coil, it’s not easy. Needs soldering I think. I’ve got one from an old stator that I know was working that you can have...

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              declan
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              @SpookDog thanks for the offer but I tested the stator a while back @oldman actually gifted it me the bike still won’t start so I’ll keep you posted when I can get it running then go about wetting things the loom is the original although it was hacked to bits the worst I’ve seen I put new connections on everything all the connections will be tested in due time

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                I forgot to say. Have you checked where the magnetic pick up wires come out of the stator? These can become ‘detatched’ from the rubber grommet, leaving two nice bare wires that can touch or arc...

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                  I forgot to say. Have you checked where the magnetic pick up wires come out of the stator? These can become ‘detatched’ from the rubber grommet, leaving two nice bare wires that can touch or arc...

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                  declan
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                  @SpookDog for the pulse coil?

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                    SpookDog
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                    Yeah, where the rubber grommets at

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                      declan
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                      This is kind of off topic but included the same hardware so I'll ask when connecting up the cdi what's the minimum amount of wires you can have plugged in I did the two pulse coil wires and the two primary coil wires but there wasn't spark on my spare engine

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                        I’d think it would need them all plugged in. Power from the ignition coil has to get in from the stator. You have got the older 3 coil stators?
                        It’d need to be plugged into the loom. I won’t spark out of the frame. Are you trying to get it to spark ‘on the bench’?

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                          I’d think it would need them all plugged in. Power from the ignition coil has to get in from the stator. You have got the older 3 coil stators?
                          It’d need to be plugged into the loom. I won’t spark out of the frame. Are you trying to get it to spark ‘on the bench’?

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                          declan
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                          @SpookDog I have a bike I'm building with an 05 dtx engine I'm trying to do a crossover of parts the bike has spark with it's cdi but won't fire so I would like to try my dtr cdi on it last time I did so I couldn't get a spark since my dtr needs to be stripped down I figure nows a good time to try again

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