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  • S SpookDog

    SpookDog:

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    And the beat goes on ☠️ …
    (as does the work!)

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    How bad are rear wheel bearings to replace?…

    I’ve done one before but it was nearly 35 years ago. I seem to remember lump hammer and giant screwdriver, ala chisel? I seem to remember having to depress the centre tube to allow access to the bearing from the opposite side? Any help/tips appreciated 🙂 …

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      How bad are rear wheel bearings to replace?…

      I’ve done one before but it was nearly 35 years ago. I seem to remember lump hammer and giant screwdriver, ala chisel? I seem to remember having to depress the centre tube to allow access to the bearing from the opposite side? Any help/tips appreciated 🙂 …

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      Leaky tube makes for another night of running~repair!…

      Noticed that the rear wheel bearings are a bit ‘graunchy’ 😬 No play just the odd notch 🤬 Good job I bought some when I got the bike! 🙂 …

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        Leaky tube makes for another night of running~repair!…

        Noticed that the rear wheel bearings are a bit ‘graunchy’ 😬 No play just the odd notch 🤬 Good job I bought some when I got the bike! 🙂 …

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          Pipe looks good on it.

          You need to get some photos of it in the light etc, preferably on the trails!

          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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            Pipe looks good on it.

            You need to get some photos of it in the light etc, preferably on the trails!

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            I’m not a daytime/morning person but I will oblige when the good weather finally breaks! 😎 …

            Has anyone ever had a water pump seal fail? I’ve had some contamination problems with my gear oil, it’s grey and emulsified. Horrible state! The only things I can think of are the pump seal letting a small amount of liquid into the gearbox, or possibly condisation from cold damp air during the winter. Which is a stretch of the imagination 🙂 …

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              Yeah, waterpump seal failed on my brothers DTR and he ended up with coolant in the gearbox oil.

              Should be a relatively simple fix, just remove the clutch cover, dismantle the waterpump impeller and press out the seal and push in the new one.

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                I’m not a daytime/morning person but I will oblige when the good weather finally breaks! 😎 …

                Has anyone ever had a water pump seal fail? I’ve had some contamination problems with my gear oil, it’s grey and emulsified. Horrible state! The only things I can think of are the pump seal letting a small amount of liquid into the gearbox, or possibly condisation from cold damp air during the winter. Which is a stretch of the imagination 🙂 …

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                Finally got round to doing the forks! Got new genuine oil seals from fleabay for less than a tenner each, but try and find the top dust seals!!…

                Made sure the bolts are separated from the aluminium by using CT1 sealant to ‘encapsulate’ the fuxors! Doesn’t hurt leaky copper washers either;) …

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                Used 1 & 1/2 extension bars to use the 27mm hex/Allen adapter to hold the inners in place made torquing it up real easy…

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                Finally fitted these puppies in the forks!…

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                Will fit the forks to the bike soon as possible, weather permitting 😐 …

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                  Yeah nice, I'd be interested in hearing about your experience with those springs. USD's made a huge difference to my bike, but it was significantly more work that just fitting springs.

                  Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                    Yeah nice, I'd be interested in hearing about your experience with those springs. USD's made a huge difference to my bike, but it was significantly more work that just fitting springs.

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                    @Calum

                    I thought about it, even bought some (YZ) that had been fitted to a Dtr by a previous, but the reality of how massive tall they are just put me off. Getting the right donors is definitely the ‘ting’ 🙂 The standard forks are way too soppy…

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                      @Calum

                      I thought about it, even bought some (YZ) that had been fitted to a Dtr by a previous, but the reality of how massive tall they are just put me off. Getting the right donors is definitely the ‘ting’ 🙂 The standard forks are way too soppy…

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                      Has anyone else noticed that when you tighten up the front wheel spindle it wobbles up-down/side-side a little? I’ve had this with different forks and spindle combinations! Is this normal?!…

                      I’ve noticed that the gap on the speedo side is nearly 5mm more than the disc side, normal or not?…

                      Ta for any insight 🙂 …

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                        Has anyone else noticed that when you tighten up the front wheel spindle it wobbles up-down/side-side a little? I’ve had this with different forks and spindle combinations! Is this normal?!…

                        I’ve noticed that the gap on the speedo side is nearly 5mm more than the disc side, normal or not?…

                        Ta for any insight 🙂 …

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                        I’m guessing both mine are a bit bent! 😛 I recon it’s what happens when you ride a bike any distance with 1 fork seal gone (which to my shame I have done) and put too much pressure on side, especially the side with thread…

                        Both of mine were bent to hells fuck! If I had tog gotten a new one I would never of realised how fuxin awful my bike was handling at any speed over 50mph!
                        Nearly every thing that comes into contact with my Life seems to be just ‘that little bit wrong!’ It’s fuxin exhausting! Whatever happened to harmony, balance, in the World. The fuxin Holocene is wasted on money grubbing Torrie, Nazi, Capitalist fuckin head up their arses, “it doesn’t matter what I do cause it’s all just a dream” misery mongers!!
                        Please bring on the Zombie apocalypse, or some way of thinning the herd that is mankind. COVID wasn’t harsh enough!…

                        Sorry, my Rant is over 😒 I’m tired of living in a “world full of Wonders” not a “Wonderful World” that I believe this ball of spinning dirt could be….

                        🐾☠️🐾

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                          Has anyone else noticed that when you tighten up the front wheel spindle it wobbles up-down/side-side a little? I’ve had this with different forks and spindle combinations! Is this normal?!…

                          I’ve noticed that the gap on the speedo side is nearly 5mm more than the disc side, normal or not?…

                          Ta for any insight 🙂 …

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                            I’m guessing both mine are a bit bent! 😛 I recon it’s what happens when you ride a bike any distance with 1 fork seal gone (which to my shame I have done) and put too much pressure on side, especially the side with thread…

                            Both of mine were bent to hells fuck! If I had tog gotten a new one I would never of realised how fuxin awful my bike was handling at any speed over 50mph!
                            Nearly every thing that comes into contact with my Life seems to be just ‘that little bit wrong!’ It’s fuxin exhausting! Whatever happened to harmony, balance, in the World. The fuxin Holocene is wasted on money grubbing Torrie, Nazi, Capitalist fuckin head up their arses, “it doesn’t matter what I do cause it’s all just a dream” misery mongers!!
                            Please bring on the Zombie apocalypse, or some way of thinning the herd that is mankind. COVID wasn’t harsh enough!…

                            Sorry, my Rant is over 😒 I’m tired of living in a “world full of Wonders” not a “Wonderful World” that I believe this ball of spinning dirt could be….

                            🐾☠️🐾

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                            I really find it hard to believe I never noticed this before! I suppose I’ve always had higher priority problems to deal with 😐 I did notice it enough to buy another spindle at some point, I just can’t remember when 🙄 …

                            Having good tyres, new forks with seals , bushes and springs has really made me focus in on the one imperfection left. My ’good’ spindle threads in almost straight until you have to torque it up, then it moves the wheel up & to the side quite noticeably. I always felt like the steering was tracking a bit, and having a bit of a sudden ‘dip’ when cornering hard! I always put it down to soppy shocks and knobblies 🙂 …

                            The progressive springs are the bogs dollox! They feel like a different animal 👍
                            Even with the spindle i can feel a hell of a difference, no more manic dive under brakes. They feel like they ‘flex’ less as well if that makes sense? They feel so much more positive than before…

                            If you know a place I can buy a new spindle please let me know 🙂 …

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                              Finally got round to doing the forks! Got new genuine oil seals from fleabay for less than a tenner each, but try and find the top dust seals!!…

                              Made sure the bolts are separated from the aluminium by using CT1 sealant to ‘encapsulate’ the fuxors! Doesn’t hurt leaky copper washers either;) …

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                              Used 1 & 1/2 extension bars to use the 27mm hex/Allen adapter to hold the inners in place made torquing it up real easy…

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                              Finally fitted these puppies in the forks!…

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                              Will fit the forks to the bike soon as possible, weather permitting 😐 …

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                              @SpookDog the top dust seals are £9.95 from pyramid parts.

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                                @SpookDog What I will say is this, I did have a lot of fun going back to an old classic Yamaha even though my bike goes and stops, nothing quite like raking around a bone stock one.

                                But when all is said and done, when you're using it as a daily, you can't beat factory trim.

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                                  I really find it hard to believe I never noticed this before! I suppose I’ve always had higher priority problems to deal with 😐 I did notice it enough to buy another spindle at some point, I just can’t remember when 🙄 …

                                  Having good tyres, new forks with seals , bushes and springs has really made me focus in on the one imperfection left. My ’good’ spindle threads in almost straight until you have to torque it up, then it moves the wheel up & to the side quite noticeably. I always felt like the steering was tracking a bit, and having a bit of a sudden ‘dip’ when cornering hard! I always put it down to soppy shocks and knobblies 🙂 …

                                  The progressive springs are the bogs dollox! They feel like a different animal 👍
                                  Even with the spindle i can feel a hell of a difference, no more manic dive under brakes. They feel like they ‘flex’ less as well if that makes sense? They feel so much more positive than before…

                                  If you know a place I can buy a new spindle please let me know 🙂 …

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                                  #$!!?%^*#!!…

                                  Has anyone ever removed the front wheel bearings before? I can’t get the centre spacer to move out of the way enough to get to the inside of either opposite bearing I’m trying to drift out. I can’t even get the edge of the sharpest flathead screwdriver I have onto it! Is this normal?…
                                  Help please!…

                                  Are the rears gonna be the same?!…

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                                    I always thought they came out with a slide hammer...

                                    Although I've never done it or looking into it myself.

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                                      I always thought they came out with a slide hammer...

                                      Although I've never done it or looking into it myself.

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                                      @Calum
                                      Slide hammer was my next plan of attack. Every other one I’ve seen (and the 1or2 I’ve done) have had the centre tube/spacer move enough to get at the bearings from inside, from the opposite side. So you can hit the centre race and tap them out…
                                      I don’t get why the dtr one is so ‘tight’?…

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                                        @Calum
                                        Slide hammer was my next plan of attack. Every other one I’ve seen (and the 1or2 I’ve done) have had the centre tube/spacer move enough to get at the bearings from inside, from the opposite side. So you can hit the centre race and tap them out…
                                        I don’t get why the dtr one is so ‘tight’?…

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                                        @SpookDog

                                        Nobody ever done the bearings on dtr125 wheels? I know that this forum doesn’t get the kinda foot traffic that it used to, but nobody?…

                                        Damn! Maybe that old Gypsy Woman was right? 🙄 …

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                                          @SpookDog

                                          Nobody ever done the bearings on dtr125 wheels? I know that this forum doesn’t get the kinda foot traffic that it used to, but nobody?…

                                          Damn! Maybe that old Gypsy Woman was right? 🙄 …

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                                          @SpookDog The central spacer is often a bit of a PITA on bike wheel bearings; kneeling down with the wheel flat on the ground in front of you (with the disc rotor facing upwards) try pulling the punch/screwdriver etc towards you whilst hitting it. This pushes the punch end away from you and helps it get some purchase on the bearing's inner race. Also if the bearings are quite old it may be the case that the spacer has seized to the inner race. Had a few painful fingers over the years when the punch has slipped during hammering them out but never been in a situation where I plain couldn't punch them out.

                                          Other points raised: It's normal for the wheel spindle clamp on the fork slider to be 5-10mm away from the outer face of the speedo drive with the front end assembled. IIRC I once bought a NOS spindle and even that produced some "up and down" wheel activity during tightening so I wouldn't worry.

                                          A method I've always used to guarantee front end alignment (assuming your headrace bearings are correctly adjusted) is to install the forks/front wheel in the bike, fully tighten the front wheel spindle but don't tighten the spindle clamp. Leave the bottom yoke pinch bolts loose and tighten the ones on the top yoke. Then loosen the steering stem top nut just enough to allow the top yoke to rotate on the stem. Take the bike off the workstand etc., hold the front brake on and bounce the front end up and down 10-20 times to get the forks parallel with one another, then gently rest it on the side stand (try not to turn the steering at all when you do this). Then tighten the steering stem nut (which affects headrace bearing adjustment) followed by the bottom yoke pinch bolts, then the wheel spindle clamp last thing. The spindle clamp is there on bikes with long-travel suspension because even a slight variation in the alignment of the fork legs can produce stiction through their full travel; it allows the RH fork leg to "float" during this process so the forks/yokes/wheel can self-align before everything is tightened.

                                          The spring rate controls the suspension stiffness so running the forks with one blown seal wouldn't be enough to bend them in use. One of the bike mags in the 90s posted up some pictures of two guys doing a two-up stoppie on a stock DTR and that didn't bend the forks; 41mm stanchions are only 2mm smaller than the pre-USD GSX-R1100 of the day.

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