Hello all.
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Hi and thanks for the welcome Calum. Well you've made me a little happier regarding the mileage. I'll certainly have a build thread going. Like I said, all looks original, which is good, but definitely a rebuild job. Gonna surf through the rest of the forum now. Thanks again.
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@harri What have you got in mind for your project?
Are you looking to go modified or original.
I'm not sure what you expecting for me to say about the mileage, I wouldn't say it is exceptionally high, neither is it low.
We have some top quality members on here with a variety of both highly modified and concourse OEM. I am sure they will introduce themselves in good time.
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@oldman Hi, at the moment it has white plastics without stickers or transfers. The plastics will need renewing though.The frame is also white. I will post pics when I pick it up.The only thing I can see that is missing is one of the rear grab rails. A closer look might reveal more things.
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@oldman To my mind, it would be criminal to plug those clocks in.
That Aprilia I'm building, I managed to snag clocks with 1000km on it. And I did buy a brand new speedo sensor, whether or not I plug it in though...I just think it's a shame to up the mileage.
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If I could find some more clocks that were half decent at a reasonable price I would save these, old speedo at the time was shot. Do keep looking while searching for other parts but people want stupid money for them unfortunately. Always believe something will turn up. Years ago I did a self build and had no oven or hob for more than 8 months (tight!) Then working at hq for major building society and they set up a kitchen to lure in new mortgage customers, when it finished blagged the oven and hob (phillips) for a fiver.
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Im totally the other way around. Love to clock the miles up, makes me thing about all the nice places i've visited, all the nice trips and so on. To me it just seems "fake" to run with clocks not attached, or "manipulated" in some way.
My xt600 is closing in on 200.000km, currently at 18X.000km. It sucks that it "resets" after 99.999,9km
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@jens-eskildsen My starlet is on 215000. but put it the other way, if your xt was 30 years old and had 1k miles on it, you'd think differently.
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No I really wouldnt, im not like that. I bought my DTR with under 10.000km on it, and motor has never been opened. Bike was absolutely stock. That didnt stop me from making it mine, and use it for everything from small mx tracks and enduro, to multi day trips with all my sleeping gear.
To me apperance meens nothing when its not legit. And I have the bikes to prove it :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Its a bit funny that theres talk about removing speedometers, or not fitting them to not clock up miles, in the same thread where a guy basically says you cant trust the milage on bikes.... Gee wonder why :upside-down_face:Anyway, the talk was about not fitting low milage clocks, not about not riding low milage bikes. Pretty significant difference. He made it pretty clear that the bike has more mileage than the clocks, which you said it would be criminal to fit.... Who are you trying to fool by doing that, what good does a low mileage clock do you, on a bike with far more miles on it
Where im from thats called fraud. :winking_face: (definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain")Also, whats the point of having a bike, if its not to ride it? ( I know, I know, but its not for me)
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No I really wouldnt, im not like that. I bought my DTR with under 10.000km on it, and motor has never been opened. Bike was absolutely stock. That didnt stop me from making it mine, and use it for everything from small mx tracks and enduro, to multi day trips with all my sleeping gear.
To me apperance meens nothing when its not legit. And I have the bikes to prove it :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Its a bit funny that theres talk about removing speedometers, or not fitting them to not clock up miles, in the same thread where a guy basically says you cant trust the milage on bikes.... Gee wonder why :upside-down_face:Anyway, the talk was about not fitting low milage clocks, not about not riding low milage bikes. Pretty significant difference. He made it pretty clear that the bike has more mileage than the clocks, which you said it would be criminal to fit.... Who are you trying to fool by doing that, what good does a low mileage clock do you, on a bike with far more miles on it
Where im from thats called fraud. :winking_face: (definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain")Also, whats the point of having a bike, if its not to ride it? ( I know, I know, but its not for me)
Have a nice day.I bought the replacement speedo set as the originals were beyond repair, the documented mileage was recorded at time of change along with existing mot certificates. I would like to save these clocks as it has always been my intention since rebuilding the bike to return as far as possible to stock "as new" condition and the clocks were part of that. If I can preserve them with the low miles showing I will do, not to mislead anyone because I have no intention of selling the bike ever while I am alive. I am going to use the bike as much as possible and at the end of the day if needed I could rebuild again but the chances of finding another set of clocks for am acceptable price is likely nil now. At the end of the day these bikes were never intended to be high mileage mules but learner bikes likely to be abused and destroyed with a limited lifespan. I know my 88 was destined for the scrapyard if I had not rescued it, like many on here I have a genuine passion for these bikes and feel I have achieved something if my bike continues to survive for another 29 years. Many, mine included, have been subject to teenage maintenance and improvements and the likelihood of finding an as built stock bike of that age is as good as impossible. I have corrected many faults and wrong parts, mostly with genuine Yamaha where available, so feel my 88 is about as genuine as you are likely to find of that age around. All parts changed are recorded with receipts to match (don't ask how much!) and rather than try and hide the bikes history I am proud of it. 30000 miles and counting!
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@jens-eskildsen Likewise, I have no intention of selling my bikes. Even if I did, the past MOT's and the condition of the bikes speak for themselves.
I know what you're saying bud, I don't discredit that. I was merely stating, there is something to be said about an OEM discontinued rare and or expensive part, counting mileage up when it's low. If Oldmans clocks were 10k then I wouldn't see the point, but it's 20 years old with 46 miles on the clock which is incredibly special, rare or whatever.
The fact of the matter is, these bikes are 20 years old, they've lost all their money now. For me, as an enthusiast, I like seeing these well preserved parts.
When I rocked up to buy Oldmans 88 DTR and I see it's got clocks with that mileage, I would 1. Believe that to be the case 2. Backed up by the impeccable standard that he has restored it. The fact it's done 30k+ mileage is irrelevant. It's practically a new bike.
I know you're right, it's just that little thought process in my head. In Japan they don't use miles, they use KM. If you look at my cars MOT, the mileage goes up or down depending on how they recorded it. Some say 100km and others say 110k miles. There's 50k miles in a single year between MOT's, when in actuality it only did 10k miles.
It's all irrelevant anyway, as said, Oldmans DTR is probably in better condition than when it was new lol.
And I haven't ridden my DT for about 4 years now. It hasn't been about riding it for a long time. I merely enjoy seeing it and working on it.
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On another thread the 89 is going to someone else, a very good friend of mine since childhood. All he is paying is the cost of parts and what the bike cost me. That has 5223 miles showing, absolutely no idea if that is correct. No doubt you could go on ebay and find a similar year of bike for a lot less, but as Calum pointed out it is ,like my red bike, mostly new in almost every respect. All new bearings throughout, braking system rebuilt with new seals and piston, frame and metalwork all refinished, not a single component has been overlooked or left without refurbishing even down to the chain rollers. He has picked some items to his personal taste like the Romeu exhaust and Galfer front brake disc to name a few. He did offer to pay me for the restore but how can you put a price on the hundreds of hours I have spent on it including running down correct parts without out it being a ridiculous price. At the end of the day I have enjoyed doing it and will be pleased to see it back on the road, I know he will look after it like I would. It was not my intention when I bought it to move it on, not really sure what I would have done with it to be honest but have always liked the white and red bikes colour scheme so just as likely I would have kept it. Would I sell a bike to a lifelong friend with the intention to defraud him? No way, nor would I to anyone else either, he is fully aware how much has been done and in all honesty has probably exceeded the finish I achieved with the red bike, mainly due to A being in better condition to start with and B learnt a lot doing the red one that meant I was better prepared.
With any vehicle of that age mileage is a very small part of the overall picture and if someone was seriously considering purchasing a similar project would no doubt be aware of the lengths taken to restore an old battered bike back to its best. Each project is different and I let my efforts speak for themselves, if anyone thinks it's fraudulent then more fool them.
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