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Engine Rebuilt, Now wont start, and makes horrible dump valve sound when turned off

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  • NINJAN NINJA

    @jamesdowning It sounds like something is not connected correctly or you've damaged a seal when bolting everything back up? If the system is not pressurised and air is trapped in there, then that would most likely give you the dumping sound which you refer to? As @finnerz89 said you need to bleed the system and put new fluid in without adding air. Using a plastic syringe which can be easily bought off ebay is ideal for this, as well as being perfect for bleeding brakes too. If you can connect it at the bottom and pump fluid up-hill, leaving the rad cap off, then using the plunger in the syringe pull it back and forth to pump fluid in and out, that will blow air out of your system.

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    DTR+NSR
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    I'd say the pressure noise would be the plug igniting fuel in cylinder, noticed on my dtr it would produce a weak spark couple times after kill switch was set to off.

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    • CalumC Calum

      @jamesdowning You sure it's not just the powervalve mate.

      Turning the ignition on and off isn't going to dump any pressure.

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      @Calum my dtr doesnt have a servo style powervalve, it has the old style where you set it how you want it. Therefore dont think the ignition would move it. I agree the switch shouldnt have any effect on the dump noise but it deffo did. Bit weird, hence why i think i might have wired it up wrong somehow

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      • NINJAN NINJA

        @jamesdowning It sounds like something is not connected correctly or you've damaged a seal when bolting everything back up? If the system is not pressurised and air is trapped in there, then that would most likely give you the dumping sound which you refer to? As @finnerz89 said you need to bleed the system and put new fluid in without adding air. Using a plastic syringe which can be easily bought off ebay is ideal for this, as well as being perfect for bleeding brakes too. If you can connect it at the bottom and pump fluid up-hill, leaving the rad cap off, then using the plunger in the syringe pull it back and forth to pump fluid in and out, that will blow air out of your system.

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        @NINJA Thanks fir the tip mate, yeah think the seal is now damaged, but think the damage was caused as a result of the sudden high pressure build up, as apposed to me damaging it on assembly. Cheers for the pointers

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          @Calum my dtr doesnt have a servo style powervalve, it has the old style where you set it how you want it. Therefore dont think the ignition would move it. I agree the switch shouldnt have any effect on the dump noise but it deffo did. Bit weird, hence why i think i might have wired it up wrong somehow

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          @jamesdowning It's nothing to do with Age about having a powervalve on a DTR.

          Since the LC's were fitted with YPVS Servos.

          The earlier models were about proving you had the appropriate license to have one. The later models were restricted in other ways, but kept the servo.

          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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            I'd say the pressure noise would be the plug igniting fuel in cylinder, noticed on my dtr it would produce a weak spark couple times after kill switch was set to off.

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            @DTR-NSR ok, definitely possible and sounds like it could be the case! I'll have a look

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            • CalumC Calum

              @jamesdowning It's nothing to do with Age about having a powervalve on a DTR.

              Since the LC's were fitted with YPVS Servos.

              The earlier models were about proving you had the appropriate license to have one. The later models were restricted in other ways, but kept the servo.

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              @Calum So a 97 dtr can be fitted with a servo? Bit confused mate haha

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                @Calum So a 97 dtr can be fitted with a servo? Bit confused mate haha

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                @jamesdowning Yeah, the older models ran an independent 3 wire servo. Unlike the 5 wire ones on the later models.

                Having a servo is well worth it. All benefits no cons.

                Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                  I'd check you've got a healthy spark kicking it over with kill switch set to run. Does sound electrical with it being connected with touching switch.

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                  • CalumC Calum

                    @jamesdowning Yeah, the older models ran an independent 3 wire servo. Unlike the 5 wire ones on the later models.

                    Having a servo is well worth it. All benefits no cons.

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                    @Calum I'll look into it once this bloody bike runs! Cheers mate

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                    • D DTR+NSR

                      I'd check you've got a healthy spark kicking it over with kill switch set to run. Does sound electrical with it being connected with touching switch.

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                      @DTR-NSR thanks! checking for a spark will be next on the cards! If theres no spark does anyone know the most likely causes? Or is that a stupid question? Guess theres plenty of reasons for not getting a spark?

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                        Mightyman
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                        I imagine the sound you heard was like the first few seconds of this vid?

                        https://youtu.be/-x3hPW08ZqA

                        In that bike's case it was the bottom end on the way out and there was play in the conrod but obviously shouldn't be the case with your bike.

                        Could be compression related though I guess.. Did you get your cylinder checked for correct sized piston?

                        TDR 125 - 2001

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                          @DTR-NSR thanks! checking for a spark will be next on the cards! If theres no spark does anyone know the most likely causes? Or is that a stupid question? Guess theres plenty of reasons for not getting a spark?

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                          @jamesdowning Here's how to check if the plug sparking or not? Take it out, connect it to the HT lead and place the tip against a metal surface. Crank the bike with the kick starter and look for a spark, it will be very visible for a split second. If there's a spark then the plug is getting voltage, if there's nothing then you have an electrical problem.

                          SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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