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  • S SpookDog
    9 Aug 2023, 13:36

    Got a new crank ordered from PJME. Just waiting on it now. Need to get a bolt lug welding on to the flywheel side of the crank casing and I’ll be good to start building this thing…

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    SpookDog
    wrote on 9 Aug 2023, 17:10 last edited by SpookDog 8 Sept 2023, 18:13
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    Waiting on the flywheel puller now. There’s some noise from that sides bearing, maybe. It might be the starter clutch ring though. I don’t have any experience of elecy start lumps. So I want to remove the flywheel and starter clutch-ring stuff and see how it sounds without all that gumpf.
    There’s no (up/down) movement in the crankshaft apart from a bit of side to side, which I can’t say I remember ever seeing before. I don’t know if that’s normal?…

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      Calum
      wrote on 10 Aug 2023, 09:25 last edited by
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      Crankshaft? Or Connecting rod?

      There should be some side float, no up/down movement.

      The starter bendix will make some noise, but otherwise it should be silent.

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        10 Aug 2023, 09:25

        Crankshaft? Or Connecting rod?

        There should be some side float, no up/down movement.

        The starter bendix will make some noise, but otherwise it should be silent.

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        SpookDog
        wrote on 10 Aug 2023, 10:29 last edited by SpookDog 8 Oct 2023, 11:34
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        @Calum

        Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. Meant to be in the Tzr forum…

        I meant crank movement, only the tiniest bit 🙂 …

        Bendix? Sounds like something Uri Geller would do in the bedroom! 😳 …

        While I’ve gotten some free time I’m gonna tackle the water pump seal on the dtr. I’ve been meaning to for a while now. The oil has an opaque milky look to it where it’s been emulsified with the coolant.
        I need the new seal I have for the tizzer now though. Luckily I’ve got a spare clutch casing with good pump seal, ect…

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          10 Aug 2023, 10:29

          @Calum

          Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. Meant to be in the Tzr forum…

          I meant crank movement, only the tiniest bit 🙂 …

          Bendix? Sounds like something Uri Geller would do in the bedroom! 😳 …

          While I’ve gotten some free time I’m gonna tackle the water pump seal on the dtr. I’ve been meaning to for a while now. The oil has an opaque milky look to it where it’s been emulsified with the coolant.
          I need the new seal I have for the tizzer now though. Luckily I’ve got a spare clutch casing with good pump seal, ect…

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          SpookDog
          wrote on 10 Aug 2023, 10:56 last edited by SpookDog 8 Oct 2023, 11:56
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          One thing I’ve noticed from working on the Tzr are the handy bits of steel clip/bracketing that holds the wiring near the front sprocket in place. Even for the gearbox breather tube. There are loads of other guides and clips missing from my bike. I would really like to know where they all go so as I can try and replace them…
          Anyone got ideas of how to find them out , short of doing a walk around a totally standard survivor bike?…

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            Calum
            wrote on 10 Aug 2023, 11:02 last edited by
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            Are they not itemised on the exploading diagrams?

            https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/main/img/assemblies/large/016ee6130ef8ca51319e1cded43b55e0.png

            As an example:
            https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4111561/tzr125-4fl1-1993-999-a/crankcase

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              10 Aug 2023, 11:02

              Are they not itemised on the exploading diagrams?

              https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/main/img/assemblies/large/016ee6130ef8ca51319e1cded43b55e0.png

              As an example:
              https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4111561/tzr125-4fl1-1993-999-a/crankcase

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              SpookDog
              wrote on 10 Aug 2023, 11:08 last edited by SpookDog 8 Oct 2023, 12:13
              #644

              @Calum

              I’ve never looked specifically, but nothing has ever caught my attention before while looking. I’ll have to check…

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              Damn this has gotten a lot worse than before!…
              That is some pusstulant looking ‘goo~oil’!!…

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                10 Aug 2023, 11:08

                @Calum

                I’ve never looked specifically, but nothing has ever caught my attention before while looking. I’ll have to check…

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                Damn this has gotten a lot worse than before!…
                That is some pusstulant looking ‘goo~oil’!!…

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                SpookDog
                wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 10:31 last edited by SpookDog 8 Nov 2023, 11:33
                #645

                Job done. New seal, new gasket and new oil. Just gotta wait for and see now…

                Buttery gearchanges now, especially since oiling the clutch cable as well. Feels like an even newer, different bike! Feels like the rolling resistance is better as well, or I’m imagining it! Ever way it’s a plus 🙂 …

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                • S SpookDog
                  11 Aug 2023, 10:31

                  Job done. New seal, new gasket and new oil. Just gotta wait for and see now…

                  Buttery gearchanges now, especially since oiling the clutch cable as well. Feels like an even newer, different bike! Feels like the rolling resistance is better as well, or I’m imagining it! Ever way it’s a plus 🙂 …

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                  wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 15:18 last edited by
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                  Well…
                  When I fitted the new clutch casing I omitted the oil pump. I never realised that the bottom screw bolt isn’t blind like the top one. It goes straight through to the gearbox for some reason. Ended up with a boot and a back tyre/disc full of oil. Won’t make that mistake again 🙂 …

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                    Calum
                    wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 15:22 last edited by
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                    Engine's okay though? Just leaking gearbox oil through the bolt hole! Doh!

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                      11 Aug 2023, 15:22

                      Engine's okay though? Just leaking gearbox oil through the bolt hole! Doh!

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                      SpookDog
                      wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 16:36 last edited by SpookDog 8 Nov 2023, 17:37
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                      @Calum

                      Yep, the 2T pump lower 4mm screw/bolt hole goes all the way through to the nylon cog on the inside…
                      Plugged it with a screw/bolt…

                      Oil & brakes? Who would of guessed? 😐 …

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                        OllieDTR
                        wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 19:44 last edited by
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                        Hi guys
                        Off the top of your head what psi are you getting on compression test?
                        Thank you!

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                          11 Aug 2023, 19:44

                          Hi guys
                          Off the top of your head what psi are you getting on compression test?
                          Thank you!

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                          SpookDog
                          wrote on 11 Aug 2023, 21:57 last edited by SpookDog 8 Nov 2023, 23:04
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                          @OllieDTR

                          Never done one on a two stroke bud. Why do you ask?…

                          I gather it’s different if you have the power valve pinned open or not. I don’t think that there is a definitive standard to gauge a ‘normal’ from…

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                            wrote on 12 Aug 2023, 11:37 last edited by
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                            I just got 140PSI on my Cagiva raptor. Did it on Sunday purely out of interest.

                            But this engine is worn and I'm just in the middle of a rebuild as we speak.

                            That said, 140PSI is good for a two smoke.

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                              OllieDTR
                              wrote on 12 Aug 2023, 15:46 last edited by
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                              Perfect thank you everyone

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                                11 Aug 2023, 16:36

                                @Calum

                                Yep, the 2T pump lower 4mm screw/bolt hole goes all the way through to the nylon cog on the inside…
                                Plugged it with a screw/bolt…

                                Oil & brakes? Who would of guessed? 😐 …

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                                SpookDog
                                wrote on 12 Aug 2023, 21:02 last edited by SpookDog 8 Dec 2023, 22:03
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                                Engines running sweetly, got the rear disc and calliper cleaned up, so have good brakes again. Only thing is that the right side indicators have stopped working along with the indicator dash light. Also got to wait for PJME to get the crank in stock. Always something on a 35 year old basket case, eh?
                                Also got the new headstock bearing half way on and it won’t budge!…
                                💀

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                                  12 Aug 2023, 21:02

                                  Engines running sweetly, got the rear disc and calliper cleaned up, so have good brakes again. Only thing is that the right side indicators have stopped working along with the indicator dash light. Also got to wait for PJME to get the crank in stock. Always something on a 35 year old basket case, eh?
                                  Also got the new headstock bearing half way on and it won’t budge!…
                                  💀

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                                  wrote on 12 Aug 2023, 21:36 last edited by
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                                  @SpookDog

                                  With my bearing I put the headstock in the freezer to shrink it ever so slightly then heat the bearing up really bit to expand it, then quickly drop it on few taps with a rod on the inner race of the bearing all the way around and it seated lovely.
                                  First one I’ve done on dtr though I did one on a kx and the tolerances was so tight it didn’t work I had to get a tube that fit over the stem and onto the inner race and long enough to clear the top and few taps with hammer got it seated, wouldn’t damage the bearing as all force was on the inner race

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                                    12 Aug 2023, 21:02

                                    Engines running sweetly, got the rear disc and calliper cleaned up, so have good brakes again. Only thing is that the right side indicators have stopped working along with the indicator dash light. Also got to wait for PJME to get the crank in stock. Always something on a 35 year old basket case, eh?
                                    Also got the new headstock bearing half way on and it won’t budge!…
                                    💀

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                                    HOTSHOT III
                                    wrote on 12 Aug 2023, 22:06 last edited by
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                                    @SpookDog Have you machine-gunned your handlebar switches with WD40/GT85 lately? Just spray loads in until it fizzes and bubbles out of every orifice. Lots of little spring-loaded leccy contacty things inside them, it's a harsh environment for a switch. Good post-jet wash routine to get into 🌧

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                                      12 Aug 2023, 22:06

                                      @SpookDog Have you machine-gunned your handlebar switches with WD40/GT85 lately? Just spray loads in until it fizzes and bubbles out of every orifice. Lots of little spring-loaded leccy contacty things inside them, it's a harsh environment for a switch. Good post-jet wash routine to get into 🌧

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                                      wrote on 13 Aug 2023, 11:19 last edited by
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                                      @HOTSHOT-III

                                      First thing I tried 😛 gonna investigate it some more today…

                                      @OllieDTR

                                      I had it in the freezer for a few days! It was so cold wd40 was freezing on it into slush, couldn’t heat the bearing though. It has the bottom rubber seal fitted into it. Never seen one like it before…
                                      Gonna have to find a steel pipe 👍…

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                                        13 Aug 2023, 11:19

                                        @HOTSHOT-III

                                        First thing I tried 😛 gonna investigate it some more today…

                                        @OllieDTR

                                        I had it in the freezer for a few days! It was so cold wd40 was freezing on it into slush, couldn’t heat the bearing though. It has the bottom rubber seal fitted into it. Never seen one like it before…
                                        Gonna have to find a steel pipe 👍…

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                                        SpookDog
                                        wrote on 13 Aug 2023, 15:37 last edited by SpookDog
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                                        Does anyone else with an early bike 88~96 have issues with the headlight dimming when the brake light comes on? It’s been bugging me forever since getting the bike! The headlight runs off of a/c directly from the stator coil, but the brake light is run off of the battery, it shouldn’t affect it! The only thing I can think of is that they share an earth?! I’ve just rigged up an earth to the frame straight from the battery. I’m gonna see if that helps any. The neutral light looks stronger anyways, as is the PV on the key 🙂 …

                                        Fixed the indicators (& intermittent speedo bulb). Six new bullet connectors behind the headlight!! (& 1 bulb) The last couple years have been hard on the loom! Everything looks brighter on the battery now 🤞 …

                                        Almost forgot: This may sound stupid, but: 2T oil from the exhaust ‘filming over’ the battery top, could it diminish the output amp/voltage? Mine was coated and the power valve & neutral light had gotten ‘sluggish’. It’s better since cleaning, but I’m not sure if it was this or a poor earth to the battery? I guess I’ll try not connecting the earth, later after night testing…

                                        I wish I knew a motor cycle electrician/Wizard ⚡️…

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                                          13 Aug 2023, 15:37

                                          Does anyone else with an early bike 88~96 have issues with the headlight dimming when the brake light comes on? It’s been bugging me forever since getting the bike! The headlight runs off of a/c directly from the stator coil, but the brake light is run off of the battery, it shouldn’t affect it! The only thing I can think of is that they share an earth?! I’ve just rigged up an earth to the frame straight from the battery. I’m gonna see if that helps any. The neutral light looks stronger anyways, as is the PV on the key 🙂 …

                                          Fixed the indicators (& intermittent speedo bulb). Six new bullet connectors behind the headlight!! (& 1 bulb) The last couple years have been hard on the loom! Everything looks brighter on the battery now 🤞 …

                                          Almost forgot: This may sound stupid, but: 2T oil from the exhaust ‘filming over’ the battery top, could it diminish the output amp/voltage? Mine was coated and the power valve & neutral light had gotten ‘sluggish’. It’s better since cleaning, but I’m not sure if it was this or a poor earth to the battery? I guess I’ll try not connecting the earth, later after night testing…

                                          I wish I knew a motor cycle electrician/Wizard ⚡️…

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                                          wrote on 13 Aug 2023, 15:46 last edited by SpookDog
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                                          Headlight dimming when brake light is on: I really would like to know if other people with early 3 coil stator all have this problem. If I know it’s just my bike I can go about tracking it down and fixing the problem…

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