'97 KTM lc2/sting
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@Calum The jetting is very rich, I can not understand how this could be the problem as I've studied the settings for the aprilia rs 125 in different power outputs and compared to this one. Both bikes have more or less the same carb: dell orto phbh28.
But I have identified a new problem, the ypvs sevo marked yamaha is connected with wire 1 to the valve marked 1, and with wire 2 to the valve marked 2. As I did not check the operation before burning the piston and tearing down, this could have lead to confusion, and the valve closing at higher rpms.This is the waterpump problem, no cover gasket resulted in contact with the metal plate and failure of the gear.
@rraleks the RS 125 is a completely different kettle of fish to the DT engine I am afraid. So the two can't be made direct comparisons of in terms of jetting.
Typically a whole in the top of the piston is when the spark plug effectively turns into a welder.
https://www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1297435-hole-in-piston/
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@Calum The jetting is very rich, I can not understand how this could be the problem as I've studied the settings for the aprilia rs 125 in different power outputs and compared to this one. Both bikes have more or less the same carb: dell orto phbh28.
But I have identified a new problem, the ypvs sevo marked yamaha is connected with wire 1 to the valve marked 1, and with wire 2 to the valve marked 2. As I did not check the operation before burning the piston and tearing down, this could have lead to confusion, and the valve closing at higher rpms.This is the waterpump problem, no cover gasket resulted in contact with the metal plate and failure of the gear.
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This is my project, my first motorcycle. The bike has not been running for the last 15 years or so because engine problems. I went to get it this summer at my uncles house. He had fitted a rd 125 piston with holes on the skirt. I burned a hole in that one before i washed the crankcase thorougly and put it together with an athena 125 kit. The other piston is from the time my brother had a engine seizure.
There is many possible reasons why this happened:
1.the stroke length being around 56mm giving me around 134ccm.(and different compression ratio)
2.water pump axle being jammed into crankcase causing a warped nylon gear and insufficient cooling.
3.Missing reed stoppers. I have boyesen dual stage reeds w/out stoppers.
4.A mutilated air filter box. There is extra holes in it.
5.air leakage somewhere
6.Lean jetting is probably not the case because I have really made sure to be on the safe side.
7. Aspen alkylate fuel. This does not have the required octane. This fuel did not cause the first seizure(as it was not available here at the time)Now I decided to try again! This time with 98 octane premium fuel, rich oil mixture, and I got a cheap koso water temp gauge for safety.
I am going to fill the combustion chamber with oil at tdc, measure the volume and find the actual compression ratio. I have a original KTM expansion chamber without cat and restriction ring. The other restrictor was a plate behind the air filter.Any hints or tips would be much appreciated.
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@rraleks Hello.
Get a Haynes or Yamaha service manual for DT125,set everything to stock.
Do a very good cleaning and refurbish your carb.
This is to eliminate the problems and have a running bike,then you start.In my experience the piston gets chipped away at like that because it’s too hot! Whatever reason is causing it whether it’s lean mixture (check the plug for colour & make sure it is proper temp) or fucked pump, even with a fubar pump it should still work by convection. So check your cooling system, especially the thermostat!....
PS, Ola!
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Thanks for all the input! The jetting required for derestricting (supposedly) is Mainjet from size 132 to 152 and raise the needle one step. my Mainjet is now 168, the needle raised one step, and I've also increased idle jet from 50 to 60 or so.
Carburettors are complicated devices it seems.It is clean as a whistle, and the thermostat is tested with most of all the other issues sorted out, I will raise the needle further one step to see what happens. Then it is necessary to get a new atomiser/ needle combo if I want more fuel in the main circuit.
The Aprilia rs125 use a smaller mainjet combined with a atomiser/needle that delivers more fuel for the high output versions. -
Thanks for all the input! The jetting required for derestricting (supposedly) is Mainjet from size 132 to 152 and raise the needle one step. my Mainjet is now 168, the needle raised one step, and I've also increased idle jet from 50 to 60 or so.
Carburettors are complicated devices it seems.It is clean as a whistle, and the thermostat is tested with most of all the other issues sorted out, I will raise the needle further one step to see what happens. Then it is necessary to get a new atomiser/ needle combo if I want more fuel in the main circuit.
The Aprilia rs125 use a smaller mainjet combined with a atomiser/needle that delivers more fuel for the high output versions. -
@rraleks Forget what RS125 has,different engine.Even two 125's with same carb settings,same engine but different porting have different behavior,one may be lean and the other too rich.
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Thanks for all the input! The jetting required for derestricting (supposedly) is Mainjet from size 132 to 152 and raise the needle one step. my Mainjet is now 168, the needle raised one step, and I've also increased idle jet from 50 to 60 or so.
Carburettors are complicated devices it seems.It is clean as a whistle, and the thermostat is tested with most of all the other issues sorted out, I will raise the needle further one step to see what happens. Then it is necessary to get a new atomiser/ needle combo if I want more fuel in the main circuit.
The Aprilia rs125 use a smaller mainjet combined with a atomiser/needle that delivers more fuel for the high output versions. -
@MadGyver Agreed. Maybe see if the TDR125 or TZR125R Belgarda models have the same Dell'Orto carb as the LC2 and get an idea of the jetting from there
@HOTSHOT-III good call, I think some of them models do.
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Thanks for all the input! The jetting required for derestricting (supposedly) is Mainjet from size 132 to 152 and raise the needle one step. my Mainjet is now 168, the needle raised one step, and I've also increased idle jet from 50 to 60 or so.
Carburettors are complicated devices it seems.It is clean as a whistle, and the thermostat is tested with most of all the other issues sorted out, I will raise the needle further one step to see what happens. Then it is necessary to get a new atomiser/ needle combo if I want more fuel in the main circuit.
The Aprilia rs125 use a smaller mainjet combined with a atomiser/needle that delivers more fuel for the high output versions.Jetting in no way affects restriction. Carb size yes, but not jetting. It’s the oldest boy racer miss information that I know of...
You can’t even compare jetting to the same bike as different year models have different jetting. Even though the carbs are all Mikuni 28mm’s!...
Return your bikes carb to standard jetting for its year before you go any further. Please!...
Then check your cooling, radiator coolant level, thermostat, ect...
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Jetting in no way affects restriction. Carb size yes, but not jetting. It’s the oldest boy racer miss information that I know of...
You can’t even compare jetting to the same bike as different year models have different jetting. Even though the carbs are all Mikuni 28mm’s!...
Return your bikes carb to standard jetting for its year before you go any further. Please!...
Then check your cooling, radiator coolant level, thermostat, ect...
@SpookDog Well that is a recipe for disaster I'm afraid. It would lead to two holes in my piston if anything. If the engine is running lean it would sure not help to lean it even more? Smaller jets and a tighter fit for fuel in the atomiser sure would do so, would you disagree?
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@SpookDog Well that is a recipe for disaster I'm afraid. It would lead to two holes in my piston if anything. If the engine is running lean it would sure not help to lean it even more? Smaller jets and a tighter fit for fuel in the atomiser sure would do so, would you disagree?
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@rraleks I think the point being, it doesn't sound rignt.
Are you modified or bog standard?
If it's standard then you should be running stock jetting.
@Calum Oh no, it is not standard. The restrictions are gone and my crank seems to have longer stroke. 56 from standard 50,68 i think. This is where the problems started my brother said. Now I have also some holes in the airbox, a set of Boyesen reed-flaps and a pipe without a cat. The athena kit have 56mm bore, so that's pretty standard.
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@Calum Oh no, it is not standard. The restrictions are gone and my crank seems to have longer stroke. 56 from standard 50,68 i think. This is where the problems started my brother said. Now I have also some holes in the airbox, a set of Boyesen reed-flaps and a pipe without a cat. The athena kit have 56mm bore, so that's pretty standard.
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@SpookDog Well that is a recipe for disaster I'm afraid. It would lead to two holes in my piston if anything. If the engine is running lean it would sure not help to lean it even more? Smaller jets and a tighter fit for fuel in the atomiser sure would do so, would you disagree?
Who says it’s running lean? Overheating is caused by different things, lean is one possibility only. Check your radiator coolant level please mate...
No way the crank has a 5.5mm longer throw! It’d of locked solid against the head...
Please check your radiator coolant level!...
I ran my bike well lean for 1000’s of miles without damaging the piston. It was only when my head gasket blew and emptied my radiator that it ran it hot enough to eat the piston, in the same way as yours...
