Is this oil flow enough?

declan

This is at idle is it pumping enough liquid it drips through if I pull on the pulley

Calum

Not really a fair test, the engine creates a vacuum that draws the oil in too. So really it needs to be connected to the engine.

It shouldn't be pissing out if that's what you're expecting.

declan

@Calum not at all all and yeah I thought about the vaccume but I didn't take it into account I'll try get another vid

declan

@Calum https://youtu.be/cigfp0dOYuo

Calum

@declan Yeah try revving the engine.

I think you might be surprised on how little oil the engine needs on tickover.

It needs load on the engine to draw the oil through.

declan

@Calum it goes through nicely when being revved

declan

@Calum so would you say that it's alright to go back to autolube?

Calum

Yeah, I always upped the oilpump settings on idle.

Remeber, if you are doinh 70 at 8k revs, and shut the throttle off, the only oil that that engine will get, will be what you showed me in thatvideo.

That is often how a lot of two strokes seize.

declan

@Calum so I still can't use engine braking and still have to blip the throttle at coasting?

finnerz89

@declan if you want engine braking get a big four stroke single, my DR650 used to lock the back wheel

Calum

@declan Yeah that's two strokes for you lol.

That's why two stroke cars went out of fashion really quickly. That and of course the economy happened lol.

declan

@finnerz89 my 140 does the same who need rear brakes lol

Jens Eskildsen

Theres way more oil flowing at 8000rpm engine braking, than at idle, because of the vacuum.

I still wouldnt enginebrake, its just good practise to pull the clutch and rev the bike occasionally.

Calum

@Jens-Eskildsen Absolutely, HOWEVER. The throttle is shut OFF. Therefore there won't be the same vacuum pressure.

declan

@Calum yeah I think I'll just clutch in and blip throttle lol

Jens Eskildsen

When I fitted a clear hose on my oilpump, i tested how much oil was pumped at high revs, with throttle shut (engine braking) the oilpump was kept open until the revs dropped, and plenty of oil was being pumped out. Kinda the same happens when you blip the throttle, just to a lesser extent, in that the rpms drop faster.

I have no background to say weather or not the difference in vacuum with throttle on and off is significant, so im going to trust you on that one. With premix you shut of both the gas and thereby the oilsupply when you enginebrake, so I guess the problem is even bigger when running premix, compared to having the oilpump.

But I think we all agree that its good practise to pull the clutch instead of coasting.

declan

@Jens-Eskildsen agreed

Calum

@Jens-Eskildsen It would make sense for the pump to be designed that way.

The oil pump is controlled by two elements, indirectly from the primary shaft, and by the cable.

However, if you look at the pressure at the crankcase using a vacuum gauge, I'm sure you'd see negative air pressure.

Since my car has a vacuum gauge, I know when my foot is off the throttle I see like -0.8bar.

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Is this oil flow enough?