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3rd piston ring please help

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  • D declan
    18 Jul 2017, 22:53

    Is it possible by not installing the wire ring that goes beneath the 2nd ring could cause the bike to lose compression resulting with extremely low power and not riding past 2nd?

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    declan
    wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 11:38 last edited by
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    @Calum know anything bud?

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      Calum
      wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 12:16 last edited by
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      I have never bothered to install them.

      It really depends on the tolerances. It wouldn't pull in any gear if it was that much of an issje.

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        19 Jul 2017, 12:16

        I have never bothered to install them.

        It really depends on the tolerances. It wouldn't pull in any gear if it was that much of an issje.

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        declan
        wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 12:18 last edited by
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        @calum it's just really strange does my head in thanks for your time mate

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          Calum
          wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 13:50 last edited by
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          Something isn't right if you are losing compression mate.

          Are you sure this is what is happening?

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            19 Jul 2017, 13:50

            Something isn't right if you are losing compression mate.

            Are you sure this is what is happening?

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            declan
            wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 17:21 last edited by
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            @calum not at all I've got it down to either fueling under load or weak spark under load as on the garden it's okay but if I take it out and select 2nd the bike comes to a stop at the end of the gear then after that it starts running weird like a splutter withough the noise if you know what I mean then I have to push it as it won't ride at all but will still run and rev

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            • D declan
              19 Jul 2017, 17:21

              @calum not at all I've got it down to either fueling under load or weak spark under load as on the garden it's okay but if I take it out and select 2nd the bike comes to a stop at the end of the gear then after that it starts running weird like a splutter withough the noise if you know what I mean then I have to push it as it won't ride at all but will still run and rev

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              Zrako
              wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 17:41 last edited by
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              @declan well , is your clutch set up properly? I mean the tension .

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              • Z Zrako
                19 Jul 2017, 17:41

                @declan well , is your clutch set up properly? I mean the tension .

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                Calum
                wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 17:45 last edited by
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                @zrako yeah, if it's losing power under load then it sounds like clutch is slipping.

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                  19 Jul 2017, 17:45

                  @zrako yeah, if it's losing power under load then it sounds like clutch is slipping.

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                  declan
                  wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 18:15 last edited by
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                  @calum the clutch was in a bad state but since I got a new lever and adjuster it will pop the front wheel up but it's losing the power after initially using the clutch it feels good but after then it's losing power I don't believe it to be the clutch but I really thought it was till I got a new lever the other day before that I could redline drop the clutch and barely move

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                  • D declan
                    19 Jul 2017, 18:15

                    @calum the clutch was in a bad state but since I got a new lever and adjuster it will pop the front wheel up but it's losing the power after initially using the clutch it feels good but after then it's losing power I don't believe it to be the clutch but I really thought it was till I got a new lever the other day before that I could redline drop the clutch and barely move

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                    Zrako
                    wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 19:05 last edited by
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                    @declan is there plenty of free play on the lever?

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                    • Z Zrako
                      19 Jul 2017, 19:05

                      @declan is there plenty of free play on the lever?

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                      declan
                      wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 20:00 last edited by
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                      @zrako yes mate

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                        Calum
                        wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 20:44 last edited by
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                        Yeah but the load on the clutch in 1st is going to be minimal.

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                        • C Calum
                          19 Jul 2017, 20:44

                          Yeah but the load on the clutch in 1st is going to be minimal.

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                          declan
                          wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 21:04 last edited by
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                          @calum so what would you lean to will bad plates have this effect?

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                            19 Jul 2017, 21:04

                            @calum so what would you lean to will bad plates have this effect?

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                            Calum
                            wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 22:39 last edited by
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                            @declan Wouldn't be a bad place to start.

                            An idea would be to see if it pulls fine with no load on the engine.

                            So first just put the bike on a paddock, start it and go through all the gears. If that works no problems then jump on bike and od the same but keep it part throttle only. No load.

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                              19 Jul 2017, 22:39

                              @declan Wouldn't be a bad place to start.

                              An idea would be to see if it pulls fine with no load on the engine.

                              So first just put the bike on a paddock, start it and go through all the gears. If that works no problems then jump on bike and od the same but keep it part throttle only. No load.

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                              declan
                              wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 23:43 last edited by
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                              @calum I've tried it with no load it works pretty much as it should

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                                19 Jul 2017, 23:43

                                @calum I've tried it with no load it works pretty much as it should

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                                Calum
                                wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 23:46 last edited by
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                                @declan With load on the engine does it revs hard and no power. Clutch is slipping then.

                                Either adjust it or replace it.

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                                  19 Jul 2017, 23:46

                                  @declan With load on the engine does it revs hard and no power. Clutch is slipping then.

                                  Either adjust it or replace it.

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                                  declan
                                  wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:26 last edited by
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                                  @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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                                  • D declan
                                    20 Jul 2017, 10:26

                                    @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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                                    Calum
                                    wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:27 last edited by
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                                    @declan Nah doesn't sound like clutch then.

                                    Sounds like it's a carb setting.

                                    Take the plug out and have a look.

                                    Could simply just not getting enough fuel.

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                                      20 Jul 2017, 10:27

                                      @declan Nah doesn't sound like clutch then.

                                      Sounds like it's a carb setting.

                                      Take the plug out and have a look.

                                      Could simply just not getting enough fuel.

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                                      declan
                                      wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:52 last edited by
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                                      @calum that's what I'm thinking as after I try hit 3rd and stop it feels starved not revving clean and real slow idle but sorts it's self out after a rest I've been doing some tests as it's got an open filter not the box as I have no rubber or filter for the air box but I haven noticed anything by restricting air flow

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                                      • D declan
                                        20 Jul 2017, 10:26

                                        @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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                                        Calum
                                        wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 12:52 last edited by
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                                        @declan Sounds like fueling to me mate.

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                                        • C Calum
                                          20 Jul 2017, 12:52

                                          @declan Sounds like fueling to me mate.

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                                          declan
                                          wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 14:09 last edited by
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                                          @calum I'll pick up a new carb and see how it goes thank you

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