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  • A Arild

    @Calum

    Hey Calum, where can these tolerences be found? I suppose its in the service manual? I dont own a manual but maybe its time i pull the trigger on one

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    DTR+NSR
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    @Arild 0.30 - 0.45mm you'll want a decent small file. And only file inwards towards the centre of the ring. I hold the file in a vice and slide the ring along the jaws of the vice to help keep it all square as well.

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      Yeah. Mitaka. I called it something entirely different in the thread title and edited it to Makita. How embarrassing?!!

      The barrel and piston have just come back from PJME so I trust the tolerance, ect. The barrel is a 3MB and it says TZR on the piston box. I’ve never had one like this before but I have seen them online in pics, ect.
      The piston that was in before was a wossner. Both the rings looked identical, so I don’t really know what to make of it all. Just want to get it right, what with being the sixteenth ‘registered’ owner. I feel I have a duty of care for the old plodder 😇

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      declan
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      @SpookDog ive installed one and left one out can’t remember which bikes but the dt probably has one and I’m sure I tried one with and without on an am6 engine and it appeared to make no difference I don’t actually know what it’s for most people don’t install them.

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        @Arild 0.30 - 0.45mm you'll want a decent small file. And only file inwards towards the centre of the ring. I hold the file in a vice and slide the ring along the jaws of the vice to help keep it all square as well.

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        Arild
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        @DTR-NSR

        Thanks mate👍

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          SpookDog
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          Soooo, it’s an expander ring, for bores that have a bit too much clearance. Goes behind the thinner ring, on the bottom of the piston. Not recommended to be fitted if you have a nice tight fresh bore...
          Got an email from PJME

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            Soooo, it’s an expander ring, for bores that have a bit too much clearance. Goes behind the thinner ring, on the bottom of the piston. Not recommended to be fitted if you have a nice tight fresh bore...
            Got an email from PJME

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            declan
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            @SpookDog moar compression!! Will do 109 in 4th gear with that in then

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              SpookDog
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              @declan
              Wow, I wish I lived in the same reality as you...
              I think 🤔

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                Calum
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                I mean, typically that's how it goes. The higher the compression the more power. Typically.... You need fueling and ignition timing to accommodate.

                Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                  @declan
                  Wow, I wish I lived in the same reality as you...
                  I think 🤔

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                  @SpookDog 👌

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                  • declanD declan

                    @SpookDog 👌

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                    DTR+NSR
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                    When my dt was running 225psi it had incredible midrange but wouldn't rev high.

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                      Calum
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                      225PSI! Wow! That's mental.

                      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                      • CalumC Calum

                        225PSI! Wow! That's mental.

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                        DTR+NSR
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                        @Calum that was a cold engine aswell! That's with +1mm over bore. Running a mick abbey modded head. Which is quite a few cc's less volume than stock 3mb.
                        Runing two base gaskets and a spacer plate now. To lower the compression which has also raised the port timing. I miss the heaps of midrange but not the bruised foot from kickstarting it lol.

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                          Calum
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                          Yeah I bet :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

                          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                            SpookDog
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                            @declan
                            Sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Plus I gave 👃👌 up a looooong time ago! 🙂

                            In all seriousness, I’d like to know what the cc of a 3MB head is? Mine had to be reprofiled to get rid of piston ring explosion marks and I’m not sure if it was skimmed to the point that it kept the same compression ratio

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                              @declan
                              Sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Plus I gave 👃👌 up a looooong time ago! 🙂

                              In all seriousness, I’d like to know what the cc of a 3MB head is? Mine had to be reprofiled to get rid of piston ring explosion marks and I’m not sure if it was skimmed to the point that it kept the same compression ratio

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                              DTR+NSR
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                              @SpookDog I measured one of my heads at 13cc, unfortunately can't remember which. The dome of the +1mm mitaka piston measures at 3.5cc though : p

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                                SpookDog
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                                Cheers bud, that’s something to work with. I’ve got a good 3bn, my reworked 3mb and another 3mb (that I forgot about till now) that is battle~scarred but otherwise original.

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