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  • CalumC Online
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    Calum
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    Yes it's possible to get the powervalve cables the wrong way, pretty sure that was a restriction on some models.

    What I would do, take the exhaust, turn the ignition on, turn it off when the valve is flush with the exhaust port then disconnect the powervalve cables.

    Ride it like that, if it's running rapid now then you know it's the powervalve.

    Other things can be things like exhaust can have a massive effect

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      Yeah thats the next thing on my list to do. See I've done a few modifications, it's got a derestricted exhaust and a the 3MB head, but up until last week its been perfect with heaps of power with the desresrict wire grounded. It started gradually coughing for a few rides then all of a sudden I started it one morning and it wouldn't rev about 7000

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      • CalumC Online
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        Calum
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        Hhmm, doesn't sound good. Is it smoking excessively? Could be clutch side crankshaft seals based off what you're saying.

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          Yeah I know, I thought they might be bad. I'll check my valve tomorrow. Is there anyway to check the seals.

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            Yeah I know, I thought they might be bad. I'll check my valve tomorrow. Is there anyway to check the seals.

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            SpookDog
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            @StanKn

            Have you checked the wire for breakage?

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              StanKn
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              What sort of wiring issue could it be? My power valve is opening all the way when running. Took if for a drive with the cover off and downshifting to get it up to around 8000 and valve opened all the way. Could their be and ignition timing issue?

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              • StanKnS StanKn

                What sort of wiring issue could it be? My power valve is opening all the way when running. Took if for a drive with the cover off and downshifting to get it up to around 8000 and valve opened all the way. Could their be and ignition timing issue?

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                @StanKn

                The ‘derestrict’ wire…

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                  StanKn
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                  Tried that too, reconnected it no difference. I'm leaning towards to cranks seals being gone?

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                    It's so weird to me, it will rev up just fine at neutral. It struggles in first and then gradually gets worse and worse as more load gets put on the engine

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                    • CalumC Online
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                      That's what it sounds like to me. The more load part makes sense.

                      You're not running any aftermarket "racing" coil are you? I had this with this knock-off Chinese racing coil that had me scratching my head for ages!

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                      • StanKnS StanKn

                        It's so weird to me, it will rev up just fine at neutral. It struggles in first and then gradually gets worse and worse as more load gets put on the engine

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                        SpookDog
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                        @StanKn

                        If there’s a break inside you won’t tell by reconnecting it. It’d be the same
                        What colour is the plug?
                        Is the spark good?

                        If you can’t dial in on the problem you’ll have to do a top end check eventually. Head off or at least check out the piston and rings through the exhaust port…

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                          I've rebuilt the top end, checked the ring gap all perfect new gudgeon pin and bearing too, it's running a brand new genuine yamaha coil right now. Is their any way of checking for a break with multimeter all the wires. Spark is perfect, but plug always comes out a little oily and black

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                            *all the wires seem okay on a visual inspection

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                              *all the wires seem okay on a visual inspection

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                              SpookDog
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                              @StanKn

                              Oily and black is rich mixture. Probably where you’ve played with the needle/carb settings…

                              You won’t see a break inside the insulation.
                              I don’t know much about your model but it sounds like it’s rev limiting itself. If the wire (green?) isn’t properly earthed, or connected to it’s proper place (CDI?) the CDI might be defaulting to a ‘safe’ mode. I’ve heard of similar problems with bikes with the rev limiter read bulb in the speedometer…

                              It’s the only thing I can think of if everything else is in good order like you said. It started off intermittent then failed completely…

                              You can do continuity testing with a multimeter. You may have to pierce the wire with a pin to make a testing point…

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                                Interesting, I've got it running leaner now and it's a a fraction better but still doesnt rev under load.
                                What do you mean by rev limiter read bulbs? I'll do a bit more Inspecting today.
                                Thanks for all the help. It's greatly appreciated.

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                                  Interesting, I've got it running leaner now and it's a a fraction better but still doesnt rev under load.
                                  What do you mean by rev limiter read bulbs? I'll do a bit more Inspecting today.
                                  Thanks for all the help. It's greatly appreciated.

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                                  SpookDog
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                                  @StanKn

                                  Hey! Try running it with the ‘deristrict’ wire not earthed. See if there’s any difference…

                                  The reed/read bulb refers to a dtr (don’t know what year) rev limiter…

                                  PS have you cleaned out the jets and emulsion tube when you had the carb apart?…

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                                    I've cleaned all the jets, but was wondering the emulsion tube refers to the press put large jet, that the main jet screws into, does that have some small holes going up the sides, I've only ever sprayed it with compressed air I've never removed it perhaps they may be blocked if they are present. I reconnected the wire yesterday and it made zero difference, I'll have a look to see if I have that read bulb. Thanks again @SpookDog

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                                      If it helps @SpookDog my CDI is marked 5AN 72P

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                                        Hope this image works, just found this could be an issue?
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                                        • StanKnS StanKn

                                          I've cleaned all the jets, but was wondering the emulsion tube refers to the press put large jet, that the main jet screws into, does that have some small holes going up the sides, I've only ever sprayed it with compressed air I've never removed it perhaps they may be blocked if they are present. I reconnected the wire yesterday and it made zero difference, I'll have a look to see if I have that read bulb. Thanks again @SpookDog

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                                          @StanKn The emulsion tube is the long brass tube the main jet screws into yes. If you haven't done this yet you'll need to get this out (screw the main jet back in without the brass washer and lightly tap it), make sure all the holes in the tube are unblocked and also check its air feed is clear, this is the small clear tube which pushes onto a brass tube on the right of the carb body just in front of the carb-to-airbox rubber (it's a very small hole and difficult to blow through).

                                          What happens over time is the space between the carb body and emulsion tube accumulates moisture and debris and this blocks more and more of the holes until it just starts fourstroking one day.

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