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    *all the wires seem okay on a visual inspection

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      *all the wires seem okay on a visual inspection

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      @StanKn

      Oily and black is rich mixture. Probably where you’ve played with the needle/carb settings…

      You won’t see a break inside the insulation.
      I don’t know much about your model but it sounds like it’s rev limiting itself. If the wire (green?) isn’t properly earthed, or connected to it’s proper place (CDI?) the CDI might be defaulting to a ‘safe’ mode. I’ve heard of similar problems with bikes with the rev limiter read bulb in the speedometer…

      It’s the only thing I can think of if everything else is in good order like you said. It started off intermittent then failed completely…

      You can do continuity testing with a multimeter. You may have to pierce the wire with a pin to make a testing point…

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        Interesting, I've got it running leaner now and it's a a fraction better but still doesnt rev under load.
        What do you mean by rev limiter read bulbs? I'll do a bit more Inspecting today.
        Thanks for all the help. It's greatly appreciated.

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          Interesting, I've got it running leaner now and it's a a fraction better but still doesnt rev under load.
          What do you mean by rev limiter read bulbs? I'll do a bit more Inspecting today.
          Thanks for all the help. It's greatly appreciated.

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          @StanKn

          Hey! Try running it with the ‘deristrict’ wire not earthed. See if there’s any difference…

          The reed/read bulb refers to a dtr (don’t know what year) rev limiter…

          PS have you cleaned out the jets and emulsion tube when you had the carb apart?…

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            I've cleaned all the jets, but was wondering the emulsion tube refers to the press put large jet, that the main jet screws into, does that have some small holes going up the sides, I've only ever sprayed it with compressed air I've never removed it perhaps they may be blocked if they are present. I reconnected the wire yesterday and it made zero difference, I'll have a look to see if I have that read bulb. Thanks again @SpookDog

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              If it helps @SpookDog my CDI is marked 5AN 72P

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                Hope this image works, just found this could be an issue?
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                  I've cleaned all the jets, but was wondering the emulsion tube refers to the press put large jet, that the main jet screws into, does that have some small holes going up the sides, I've only ever sprayed it with compressed air I've never removed it perhaps they may be blocked if they are present. I reconnected the wire yesterday and it made zero difference, I'll have a look to see if I have that read bulb. Thanks again @SpookDog

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                  @StanKn The emulsion tube is the long brass tube the main jet screws into yes. If you haven't done this yet you'll need to get this out (screw the main jet back in without the brass washer and lightly tap it), make sure all the holes in the tube are unblocked and also check its air feed is clear, this is the small clear tube which pushes onto a brass tube on the right of the carb body just in front of the carb-to-airbox rubber (it's a very small hole and difficult to blow through).

                  What happens over time is the space between the carb body and emulsion tube accumulates moisture and debris and this blocks more and more of the holes until it just starts fourstroking one day.

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                    Christ, I thought it was just a big brass tube since there was no easy looking way to get it out. Feel a bit silly now ahah.

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                      Christ, I thought it was just a big brass tube since there was no easy looking way to get it out. Feel a bit silly now ahah.

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                      CDI doesn’t look right. I’ve never seen one with blue shrink insulation…

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                        CDI doesn’t look right. I’ve never seen one with blue shrink insulation…

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                        @SpookDog I wouldn't get excited about the shrink wrap, it's not a DTR after all.

                        https://motorradteilehannover.de/Yamaha-TDR-125-5AN-Bj-1997-control-unit-CDI-control-part-A3999

                        Does look very similar to a DTRE ignition system though. Zeeltronic might be a good upgrade to the TDR ignition system.

                        Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                          Thanks again lads. Yeah I'm definitely going to get the zeeltronic in the future maybe this a sign to get it now

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                            @SpookDog I wouldn't get excited about the shrink wrap, it's not a DTR after all.

                            https://motorradteilehannover.de/Yamaha-TDR-125-5AN-Bj-1997-control-unit-CDI-control-part-A3999

                            Does look very similar to a DTRE ignition system though. Zeeltronic might be a good upgrade to the TDR ignition system.

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                            Wasn’t just the wrap. It was the gap in the resin around the wires. But yeah, I have no experience with later bikes 🙂 RE was a boring class I had to sit through when I was 10 years old…

                            I hope you find the problem…

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                              Thanks for all the input and advice. I'll try it all 🤣. I hope so too @SpookDog. Thanks for all the help again really appreciate it

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                                @HOTSHOT-III thanks mate you were write , feel like such an arse currently there's was around 10 years of crud in the emulsion tube. I overthinked like mad feels a bit silly hahaha. She's is running a real treat took awhile to get the tube out not sure its even been out before

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                                  @HOTSHOT-III thanks mate you were write , feel like such an arse currently there's was around 10 years of crud in the emulsion tube. I overthinked like mad feels a bit silly hahaha. She's is running a real treat took awhile to get the tube out not sure its even been out before

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                                  @StanKn No worries bud, lots of people miss this the 1st time they do a carb strip on these bikes. Glad to hear it's running better now!

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                                    @HOTSHOT-III thanks mate you were write , feel like such an arse currently there's was around 10 years of crud in the emulsion tube. I overthinked like mad feels a bit silly hahaha. She's is running a real treat took awhile to get the tube out not sure its even been out before

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                                    @StanKn

                                    Mine was like it when I first sussed out it was removable. It was caked in what looked like cement dust!
                                    I’m glad you got it running sweet again 😜

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