Cutting back ?
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Hello all,
Was out on my DT today which i only go out on once a month and noticed it was cutting back around 8-9000 rpm. It would cut back for a couple of seconds then shoot back to full power then cut back again. I’m not massively mechanically minded, any one have any ideas?
Its full power and I t’s got a full dep exhaust on it. I Haven’t touched the snorkel or messed around with the jetting and It’s got a new air filter on.
Thanks in advance
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@dtlee what makes it full power? The 2000-2004 DTRs are woeful. The are riddled with restrictions right down to the CDI.
The DTREs suffer from a restriction stopping them rev freely, but a simple mod soon remedies that.
Your description isn't really a lot to go on to be honest. It could literally be anything, worn engine, bad rings, oil seaping through crank cases. We are probably going to need a little more to go on than that.
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I would Flush the carb via the drain screw on the carb bowl. It could be shite in the carb. Condensation is the usual, especially if the tank is near empty.
when was the last time you put fresh petrol in?
Is it only on full throttle? Or is it stuttering on lower throttle positions?... -
Ah okay. When I said full power I mean I have moved the Reed switch away and the power Valve is working properly. It’s a french import with the better cdi from what I can remember researching. It’s was revving perfectly in the past, right up to 11000rpm. It just seems to be at full throttle between 8-9000 RPM. Maybe I’ll give the card a clean first and go from there.
Thanks
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@spookdog is doesn’t stutter low down at all just top end at full throttle. It always has fresh petrol I take it for a good run each month. It used to be fine so maybe I’ll try flush the carb and see if it helps at all. If not I’ll have to get more involved.
Thanks
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@dtlee Could be the ignition system breaking down, bikes are getting pretty old.
Unfortunately, Fowlers are out of stock on the coils :@ which is pretty annoying.
Check, spark plugs, coil, HT Lead.
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@calum cheers will have a good look
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@dtlee
Have you checked the power jet pipe? It’s the plastic pipe that connects the bowl to the carb body. If that’s leaky or cracked it won’t be pulling any fuel into the power jet at full throttle... -
@spookdog cheers I’ll have a look at that too
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I’ve checked the power jet pipe and that was clear and drained the carb and put new fuel in and it was still cutting back at higher RPM. I checked the HT lead and that seemed good so I changed the spark plug and I think that has sorted it although I’m yet to take the bike out properly. What I did notice is that the spark I took out was oily so I’m guessing that’s stopping it from sparking properly which could of caused it?? Obviously changing the plug now will only temporarily fix it until this one gets oily. Where should I be looking l next to sort out the lean running issue. I did notice my number plate was covered in splattered oil from the exhaust, ! which I’m guessing isn't healthy ??
Any help appreciated
Thanks
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@dtlee Examine the oil pump settings, make sure they are correct.
It might be the right hand crank shaft seal has gone bad, seaping Gearbox oil into the combustion chamber. Which I'm afraid, is a engine out cases split jobby to fix, since access to it can only be got at from behind the main bearings.
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@calum cheers will have a look into it
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the power valve pipe needs to be air-leak free. If it looks old and dry or cracked, replace it..
My number plate is dripping with shitty old 2/ from the silencer. It’s just the way it is with 2/‘s. Even if you pre-mix your fuel & oil...
Wet plug could just as easily be to much fuel or the ignition breaking down. It also depends if the engine was up to temperature? Cold engine makes for wet plug, in my experience...
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@dtlee said in Cutting back ?:
Ah okay. When I said full power I mean I have moved the Reed switch away
What do you mean by that? Has the problem happened since this or just lately all of a sudden?...
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@spookdog thanks for your advice. I moved the Reed switch out from the Rev counter a long time ago and it’s always been fine. The problems I’m having now are more recent. Will have a look into the ignition and carb jets and see how I get on cheers
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That’s an electronic rev limiter isn’t it? I think the 1997 onwards bikes have them? Y/N? Maybe that connectors the problem?
I have an 1988 onwards wiring loom/CDI. So I wasn’t sure what you meant
A little back history is really helpful. When (& if!) it last ran proper, any changes you’ve made, Bada bada, bing bing! You get the pic? Helps diagnose problematic changes...
Carb jets won’t be the problem, they don’t change from right to wrong. Air leaks will, as will crank seals. I doubt that it’s that though. Not if the bearings aren’t noisy...
Seriously, I’d check the rev limiter mod
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It sounds like it could be breaking down, if that’s possible...
Sorry, couldn’t see or reach to type in my last post on my phone screen...
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@spookdog haha cheers will investigate a bit more and update
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Is there a way to check if the ignition is breaking down? I’ve checked everything mentioned above and cleaned the carb out etc. But still the book it’s cutting back intermittently at about 8000rpm. Before I split the casing and check seals I want to make sure I’ve checked everything else.
It seems to run perfect for about 20mins riding the then seems to start and progressively gets worse. Could this be as it warms up the ignition is failing
TIA
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@dtlee as electronics warm up the resistance changes I'd hazard a guess with the problems your having you might have a faulty ignition coil as the coil warms up it might be out of spec this is easily checked with a multimeter via the Haynes manual, my bike cuts back at the same rpm never been able to remedy it- edit when I say ignition coil I mean the physical coil on the stator not the ht coil although that also can be an issue when it warms up
