So Close!...
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Invaluable as always @HOTSHOT-III
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The only thing different about the red oil light is that it runs through/is controlled by the CDI unit, no?
Oil light: flickers at 4K
The dial illumination lights: doesnāt flicker
Neutral light: doesnāt flickerWhen the oil light flicked it is definitely āin tuneā with the ignition.
Another weird thing is that the neutral light flickers on in 6th gearā¦Iāve got connectors butchered by previous owners on the pulse/pickup as well as the CDI-loomā¦
I have a spare CDI (3nc-00)
Pulse pickup.
Ignition coil & charging coil.
Ht coil.Iām going to start with the pickup because itās got the oldest bodge wiring. Then CDIā¦
@HOTSHOT-III
Cheers bud, I donāt know what Iād do without your help. Once I get this issue sorted the bikes going to be perfectā¦PS Question! Which side does the coil earth bolt to? Orange wire side, or the other?ā¦
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I donāt get how both the neutral and oil lights run off of the battery, but only one is flickering. Iāve changed out both bulbs and cleaned up the connections. Iām going to swap out the neutral switch before I do the next testā¦
Also when the ignition āsnagglesā it doesnāt affect the headlight or dial lights. So I donāt think itās a common earth thingā¦
PS I sussed out that the earth bolts to the opposite side of the orange wire, which is where it isā¦
Edit: I used to have a little RSX100 30 years ago. I can remember the way the revs picked up so fast and crisp! Iāve only ever had that happen once , for a short while, with my Dtr, when I put a proper 0.25 pilot jet in. The bike did a little wheelie pulling away normally. Like a frisky pup! š¾ I really want to sort this bike back to that stateā¦
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OK. Now it gets weird!ā¦
I just checked my power valve and itās been opening at 3.5~4K rpm (just @ where Iāve had the āsnaggleā)
The wire coming from my 3 wire servo is black & white. So Iāve been connecting it to the black & white wire coming from the CDI.Just for shits and giggles: I connected it to the black & yellow wire coming from the CDI (because I remembered being told the signal wire was black/yellow) Guess what? Power valve is opening at 5~6k rpm.
The kill switch works whichever way I have them. As does the power valve, but at different rpmās.
Question is: What RPM is the power valve supposed to open at?!! ā¦
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Yeah, Iāve been told that the PV signal wire is black and yellow. I didnāt look that closely for colour when I was putting the loom, CDI and stuff all together.
The wire from my servo is black & white striped. So Iāve been wiring it to the bikes kill switch curcuit. Fux knows how it was still working and kicking in the power valve when revving the engine. I never checked the RPM speed, just that the valve was operating when revvedā¦So tomorrow I go for a test ride with it connected yellow to white and opening at 6k~ishā¦
Itās strange that the kill switch curcuit on the loom is black&yellow, not white. It does look like the wire may of been replaced before, now with hindsight, Iāve scrutinised it!ā¦
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The power valve has been opening at just below 4K RPM which is about 1/8 throttle. If Iām right, this would impact the pilot/throttle-valve curcuit causing it to āsnaggleā maybe because of the change of scavenging?
Remember, Iām trying to suss this out from a position of total ignorance! Any thoughts or feedback would be appreciatedā¦PS When I put my chain back on after spraying the frame, ect. I think I may of put it on upside down (or inside out). Itās been getting tighter day by day. Iāve loosened it once but itās tight again. No slippage at the rear spindle/adjusters. I thought maybe the salt had gotten to it because Iāve done fux all miles in the last month or so (120) Thoughts again?ā¦
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Just a quick thank yous. My radiator level has been sweet since installing the banjo union U š ā¦
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Bike is running @ 90%, best yet but still a little snaggle at low rpm cruising. Leaning out the airscrew has improved but not cured it.
Just replaced the reed valve and re-installed the plastic āpickupā tube on the pilot jet. Just going dotty for T and crossing my Iās at the moment. Will test ride tomorrow weather permitting.
If itās still the same Iāll change over the CDI unit, Dog only knows what damage having the yellow & white stripe wires crossed has caused?!ā¦ -
@SpookDog All sounds good!
If the bike still runs I doubt you've done any damage to the CDI by crossing those wires, usually CDI units either work or they don't. Interesting it did still work though; the black/yellow wire tells the little on-board computer inside the 3-wire servo the engine speed (like the crank sensor on a car) and the black/white wire stops the plug sparking by earthing the CDI when you flick the kill switch or turn off the ignition, so I guess if you hooked either of those wires from the CDI up to some test equipment like an oscilloscope, you'd probably get some quite similar results.
Keep us posted for any improvements!
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Thing that blew my mind was that it opened at around 4K! Why would the resistance (Iām guessing) change on the āto earthā kill curcuit?! Also the chances of getting a 3 wire servo with a black/white stripe? As well as the black/white wire from the loom being changed?! Thatās some fuxin cosmic improbability going on. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is going on with My Life?!ā¦
Iāll take some pics when the light is good enough to show the colours properlyā¦
Couldnāt make this shit up!ā¦
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Could it possibly be something as banal as a rotten earth to the coil?
It seems it may be that the opposite side to the orange wires earth point (on the coil!) is more important that itās connected 100% to the loom, rather than the frameā¦
There is a join in the earth lead from previous abusers. One of those hard plastic crimp jobs. If Iād thought it was essential Iād of looked and addressed it before now! The wire was dry and crumbly between fingersā¦
Will know tomorrow when Iām alcohol free, but the motor is spooling up really crisp and fast, and the spark seems a lot stronger. Iāve been wrong before thoughā¦ -
I tried fitting the 3nc CDI, it only fires once then nothing. It has 3 extra wires on it, blue and sky blue (2pin block connector) and blue/yellow-stripe (maybe white) Iām wondering if theyāre to do with the side stand kill curcuit. I think I need to manipulate them to make it spark constantlyā¦
Will the bike start with the side stand down and in neutral? Or does the stand have to be up regardless?ā¦
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@SpookDog said in So Close!...:
Still not there, my spark is healthier looking, but still red-orange. I believe a healthy spark should be blue-white?ā¦
PS earth is NOT that important, it still runs with it disconnected š
I think you are slowly slipping into my Gordian knot electrical problem.
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Yeah, I donāt give up easily though. 35 year old looms with black tarnished copper cores can be challenging! This has only started since I removed, stored and replaced the loom. Itās easy to find an intermittent broken inner if itās just an indicator or tail light wire that you can wobble around. Wires in the core of the loom are another matter
Have you done anything on your bike lately? I know that the weather is still shitty here most of the timeā¦
Youāll have to update your thread with the current situation when you can. Weāll get them running again like they shouldā¦ -
I feel quite blessed really compared to your situation @SpookDog , I got my DT off a older gentleman at 5500 miles and have had it since. It's been nicked in that time but luckily that was just indicators that I binned off anyway. Your problems sound like what I am going to have with my ETX. That thing is pure trash
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@SpookDog said in So Close!...:
Yeah, I donāt give up easily though. 35 year old looms with black tarnished copper cores can be challenging! This has only started since I removed, stored and replaced the loom. Itās easy to find an intermittent broken inner if itās just an indicator or tail light wire that you can wobble around. Wires in the core of the loom are another matter
Have you done anything on your bike lately? I know that the weather is still shitty here most of the timeā¦
Youāll have to update your thread with the current situation when you can. Weāll get them running again like they shouldā¦I understand,opened twice the 30 year loom completely,once when rebuilding and now when searching for the electrical problems.Second time was 3 times the searching test&time of the first.I believe now is almost new.
I haven't done much because the bad weather most of the time,no light to work after sunset,2 small kids so almost no spare time and my health problem.
I hope so,need so much to ride again it's like a dream for me now.