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What's missing here?

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  • P Pablo13

    PV cables are all adjusted, holes line up etc.

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    Calum
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    @Pablo13 Yeah but on some CDI's it will retard the valve at certain RPM.

    That engine should rev out hard all the way to the red line.

    The best way to eliminate it not being the powervalve is to align the valve up through the exhaust port, then disconnect the servo. And take it for a test ride. Bottom end should be lost, but past 6K it should pull hard to 12k

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      So, check the green black wire is grounded and stick a finger in my exhaust is the next port of call?

      Cheers for the help btw guys 😉

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      • P Pablo13

        So, check the green black wire is grounded and stick a finger in my exhaust is the next port of call?

        Cheers for the help btw guys 😉

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        @Pablo13 LOLLZZZZZ Yep that's the top notch technical diagnosing we all love on this forum dude - very simple but highly effective!!!

        Let us know how you get on??? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

        SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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        • P Pablo13

          So, check the green black wire is grounded and stick a finger in my exhaust is the next port of call?

          Cheers for the help btw guys 😉

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          @Pablo13 That's for RE's the green and black wire.

          Just align the valve flush in the exhaust port and disconnect the servo.

          That will eliminate it being the valve.

          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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            Cool. Its a bit dark out there now, but I'll let you al know how I got on soon 🙂

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              Its not the valve. I took the exhaust off and aligned the valve, unplugged the servo and it was still the same at the top. What should I look at next?

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              • P Pablo13

                Its not the valve. I took the exhaust off and aligned the valve, unplugged the servo and it was still the same at the top. What should I look at next?

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                @Pablo13 Cool, you're getting the same issue then?

                Have you done a plug chop? What's the fueling saying? You running snorkel in or out? How old is the spark plug. Is it the correct plug?

                How old is the ignition system?

                Is the air filter clogged up?

                Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                  Yeah still going flat in the higher rpms. Maybe the coil is weak. No plug chops yet, but I stuck a new one in a few weeks back ngk 8 i believe. Also along with a new air filter as it just ticked over 24km.....about 15k miles. Snorkel is in. Problem has been there before the service too. Would be nice to get to the bottom of it 🙂

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                    Yeah still going flat in the higher rpms. Maybe the coil is weak. No plug chops yet, but I stuck a new one in a few weeks back ngk 8 i believe. Also along with a new air filter as it just ticked over 24km.....about 15k miles. Snorkel is in. Problem has been there before the service too. Would be nice to get to the bottom of it 🙂

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                    @Pablo13 Cool, fueling bone stock. Bike isn't modified?

                    It might be just a tired engine. Low compression and piston blowby.

                    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                      Just an aftermarket exhaust and a 240 main jet I stuck in, that's it. So compression test next?

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                      • P Pablo13

                        Just an aftermarket exhaust and a 240 main jet I stuck in, that's it. So compression test next?

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                        @Pablo13 What exhaust you running?

                        Most manufactures stipulate sticking with 210 main jet, despite the uprated exhaust.

                        I don't know the figures that constitute acceptable levels for the compression test.

                        I would look at the electrics first.

                        If the engine sounds sweet, then chances are it is.

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                          Rino Racing or something similar the exhaust is.

                          So check over the coil next?

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                            Rino Racing or something similar the exhaust is.

                            So check over the coil next?

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                            @Pablo13 Yeah something isn't right. But 93, if it's the original electrics, then I'd swap out the coil, and HT lead for a new one.

                            If it's still causing issues then it can only be the CDI, pickup or engine.

                            Unless someone else wants to chime in, I can't see what else it could be.

                            The fueling shouldnt be far off.

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                              If it's running lean or seems to be at high revs, there are five simple things to try.

                              Float level, is it getting enough fuel?

                              Tank cap, is the vent blocked or partially blocked cause fuel starvation?

                              Fuel tap, is it opening fully and is it and it's filter clean?

                              There is an inline filter in the brass pipe in the top of the carb, is it blocked?

                              Air filter, is it very dirty or over oiled as too much fuel is as bad as too little?

                              2002 DT125R

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                                #27

                                All good ideas there thanks 😉

                                Float level was set when I changed the needle stop as it was pissing out fuel from the carb when I got the bike, but sadly the problem was present before.

                                Tank cap Is a good shout, Ill take a look at that and the filters once the fuel level gets lower.

                                Air filter is new and not particularly over oiled, but again its been doing it with this one and the previous filter so can rule them out.

                                Ordered a new coil, HT and cap anyway. Possible the one on the bike is 25 years old, so cant hurt 🙂

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                                  Should also add that the bike revs freely to the red line when in neutral with no load.

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                                    Should also add that the bike revs freely to the red line when in neutral with no load.

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                                    @Pablo13 That rules out somethings, but the real test is under load. That's where the problems will become apparent.

                                    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                                      @Pablo13 That rules out somethings, but the real test is under load. That's where the problems will become apparent.

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                                      i would definitely whip the cylinder off and see whats going on for the sake of a new piston and small end and a gasket set ... probably would have been my first shout and check for wear around the ports if you have tried everything else but it does sound like a electrical or cdi issue ... 240 main is best for dtr if you are running a aftermarket exhaust but its a tad rich so i always run without a snorkle never had a problem in the rain ect ....

                                      The hills are alive with the sound of ... braaaap baaaaap 😁

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                                        So I fitted a new coil. Its a little better but still not quite right. Gets to 9700 now before going flat, but still feels like a little step around 9 where it tails off. I checked the carb and I think someone has previously removed the filter as I cant see one in there. I've got an o-ring coming for the tap so will wait until it comes then check that out too. Then I guess its time for a compression test, but I'm not expecting anything out of the ordinary because it runs sweet everywhere else.

                                        How much is one of these zeeltronic jobbies then? 🤓

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                                        • P Pablo13

                                          So I fitted a new coil. Its a little better but still not quite right. Gets to 9700 now before going flat, but still feels like a little step around 9 where it tails off. I checked the carb and I think someone has previously removed the filter as I cant see one in there. I've got an o-ring coming for the tap so will wait until it comes then check that out too. Then I guess its time for a compression test, but I'm not expecting anything out of the ordinary because it runs sweet everywhere else.

                                          How much is one of these zeeltronic jobbies then? 🤓

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                                          @Pablo13 Which country do you live in dude???

                                          You can but direct, dependent on whether or not they ship to that country;

                                          http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/aprilia.php

                                          Or off good ole ebay;

                                          https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CENTRALINA-APRILIA-RS125-1996-2011-PROGRAMMABILE-CDI-IGNITION-ZEELTRONIC-MOT-122/271194690954

                                          SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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