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DT200WR restoration project pic heavy

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    Louis-DT-WR
    wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 18:18 last edited by
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    Need a bit of advice.
    I'm not used to this clutch set up.

    I only removed the clutch cover to fit a new oil pump gear.

    But when I put it back on the Kickstarter wouldn't crank.
    After playing around I got that back into action.

    However there is no tension in the clutch lever.
    I'm not sure it the clutch arm needs a full 360deg rotation.
    I'm not very familiar with this setup.
    The clutch operated fine before and was a new one when I bought the bike.

    Part 11 in this diagram just wobbles around.. but I'm not sure if it's correct.

    https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4098902/wr200r-4bf1-1992-999-a/clutch

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      16 Jan 2019, 18:18

      Need a bit of advice.
      I'm not used to this clutch set up.

      I only removed the clutch cover to fit a new oil pump gear.

      But when I put it back on the Kickstarter wouldn't crank.
      After playing around I got that back into action.

      However there is no tension in the clutch lever.
      I'm not sure it the clutch arm needs a full 360deg rotation.
      I'm not very familiar with this setup.
      The clutch operated fine before and was a new one when I bought the bike.

      Part 11 in this diagram just wobbles around.. but I'm not sure if it's correct.

      https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4098902/wr200r-4bf1-1992-999-a/clutch

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      NINJA
      wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 20:26 last edited by
      #125

      @Louis-James Did you not take any pics before you dismantled it???

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        16 Jan 2019, 20:26

        @Louis-James Did you not take any pics before you dismantled it???

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        Louis-DT-WR
        wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 20:51 last edited by
        #126

        @NINJA I didn't dismantle anything.
        All I did was removed the casing and replaced the oil pump gear.
        I didn't touch the clutch.
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          16 Jan 2019, 20:51

          @NINJA I didn't dismantle anything.
          All I did was removed the casing and replaced the oil pump gear.
          I didn't touch the clutch.
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          NINJA
          wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 20:59 last edited by NINJA
          #127

          @Louis-James Well that's weird, maybe you have just discovered a fault before it ruined all your hard work???

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            16 Jan 2019, 20:59

            @Louis-James Well that's weird, maybe you have just discovered a fault before it ruined all your hard work???

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            Louis-DT-WR
            wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 21:06 last edited by
            #128

            @NINJA I think I need to remove the clutch arm and rotate it. See what I find tomorrow haha
            Wish I did it when the engine was out.
            The water pipe it the biggest pain to fit.

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              finnerz89
              wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 21:18 last edited by
              #129

              I had a similar issue on an old bike, the clutch arm operates like a rack and pinion, the arm being the pinion part. I had to engage it further down the rack to get the full range of movement. It's spring loaded, I hope that makes sense lol.

              Current bikes:
              DT125X '07
              Street Triple R '11
              Aprilia ETV1000 '02

              Previous:
              DR650RSE '96
              FJ1200 '92

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              • F finnerz89
                16 Jan 2019, 21:18

                I had a similar issue on an old bike, the clutch arm operates like a rack and pinion, the arm being the pinion part. I had to engage it further down the rack to get the full range of movement. It's spring loaded, I hope that makes sense lol.

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                Louis-DT-WR
                wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 21:26 last edited by
                #130

                @finnerz89 it has a stability spring on the arm.
                But it should be resisted by the 5 clutch springs.
                Thanks yes it is a rack and pinion type

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                • L Louis-DT-WR
                  16 Jan 2019, 21:26

                  @finnerz89 it has a stability spring on the arm.
                  But it should be resisted by the 5 clutch springs.
                  Thanks yes it is a rack and pinion type

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                  NINJA
                  wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 22:14 last edited by NINJA
                  #131

                  @Louis-James These any good to ya???

                  http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-wr-owners-manuals/

                  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WORKSHOP-MANUAL-YAMAHA-WR200R-/332115601413

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                    16 Jan 2019, 22:14

                    @Louis-James These any good to ya???

                    http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-wr-owners-manuals/

                    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WORKSHOP-MANUAL-YAMAHA-WR200R-/332115601413

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                    Louis-DT-WR
                    wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 22:27 last edited by
                    #132

                    @NINJA thanks for that the link has the manual. Hopefully sort it tomorrow

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                      16 Jan 2019, 22:27

                      @NINJA thanks for that the link has the manual. Hopefully sort it tomorrow

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                      NINJA
                      wrote on 16 Jan 2019, 23:24 last edited by NINJA
                      #133

                      @Louis-James You're welcome - I'm not sure if they are for your model, as there's quite a few to download online. Just do a search for your model/year and you'll probably find the correct one??? 😉

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                        DTR+NSR
                        wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 08:15 last edited by
                        #134

                        Is the clutch hub and basket lined up correctly seem to remember you can fit the dt one 4 different ways but will only work in one position

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                          17 Jan 2019, 08:15

                          Is the clutch hub and basket lined up correctly seem to remember you can fit the dt one 4 different ways but will only work in one position

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                          Louis-DT-WR
                          wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 11:19 last edited by
                          #135

                          @DTR-NSR thanks guys it's all sorted now.
                          Good thing I checked because the water pump didn't have a gasket in there 😂
                          This is what happens when other people rebuild

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                            17 Jan 2019, 11:19

                            @DTR-NSR thanks guys it's all sorted now.
                            Good thing I checked because the water pump didn't have a gasket in there 😂
                            This is what happens when other people rebuild

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                            NINJA
                            wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 11:24 last edited by
                            #136

                            @Louis-James A bullet dodged there dude!!! :thumbs_up_light_skin_tone:

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                              17 Jan 2019, 11:24

                              @Louis-James A bullet dodged there dude!!! :thumbs_up_light_skin_tone:

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                              Louis-DT-WR
                              wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 20:33 last edited by
                              #137

                              @NINJA yes, this engine had a fair few leaks I sorted today

                              Oil pump

                              Gear lever seal

                              Water pump.

                              Also putting the water pump pipe back in caused many problems, took so many attempts to get it to seal.

                              But now have a fully functioning to 2stroke pump 😁.. as it was from the factory.

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                                17 Jan 2019, 20:33

                                @NINJA yes, this engine had a fair few leaks I sorted today

                                Oil pump

                                Gear lever seal

                                Water pump.

                                Also putting the water pump pipe back in caused many problems, took so many attempts to get it to seal.

                                But now have a fully functioning to 2stroke pump 😁.. as it was from the factory.

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                                NINJA
                                wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 20:48 last edited by
                                #138

                                @Louis-James Nice one, I feel your pain, as I've very recently been there myself. :pouting_face: :pouting_face: :pouting_face:

                                It sounds like either a lot of gaskets have perished or not been fitted properly in the first place? Either way an overhaul of em all may be prudent??? 😉

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                                  17 Jan 2019, 20:48

                                  @Louis-James Nice one, I feel your pain, as I've very recently been there myself. :pouting_face: :pouting_face: :pouting_face:

                                  It sounds like either a lot of gaskets have perished or not been fitted properly in the first place? Either way an overhaul of em all may be prudent??? 😉

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                                  Louis-DT-WR
                                  wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 21:14 last edited by
                                  #139

                                  @NINJA always when someone else does work 😂

                                  I've thoroughly checked all over. The top end had been rebuilt with a wiseco piston.
                                  I did check that.

                                  But one of the last bits done to the engine was a new clutch and water pump seal.

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                                    17 Jan 2019, 21:14

                                    @NINJA always when someone else does work 😂

                                    I've thoroughly checked all over. The top end had been rebuilt with a wiseco piston.
                                    I did check that.

                                    But one of the last bits done to the engine was a new clutch and water pump seal.

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                                    NINJA
                                    wrote on 17 Jan 2019, 21:28 last edited by
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                                    @Louis-James Well hopefully the only bumps you'll see from now on, will be the ones you are jumping over MX styleee!!! 😉

                                    SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                                      Louis-DT-WR
                                      wrote on 21 Jan 2019, 18:53 last edited by
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                                      So the oil pump was not flowing. Took it off and the outlet was block. Removed the hose tail and I drilled the smaller bore. Oil now flows through.

                                      Without taking the pump alart again I am unsure if I have drilled too deep and the oil is bypass internally. By blowing through it and operating the throttle.. it doesn't seem to flow more or less on throttle position. Does there need to be drive to the pump and is it a variable gear inside is what changes the flow?

                                      So going to have to inspect.
                                      Or compare to another.

                                      Also bike cuts out when put into gear with stand up or down.. I think it's a faulty sidestand switch
                                      A few little things to sort 🤣

                                      Anyway.. a few pics

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                                        Calum
                                        wrote on 21 Jan 2019, 19:05 last edited by
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                                        Bike looks superb. Done an excellent job there. Definitely will be on that infamous hall of fame...

                                        Yeah side stand switch is common on all bikes. Should be relatively simple to figure out.

                                        Hopefully it's the switch and not the CDI.

                                        Yeah pumps can be weird to diagnose, better run premix whilst you're figuring it all out!

                                        Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                                          21 Jan 2019, 19:05

                                          Bike looks superb. Done an excellent job there. Definitely will be on that infamous hall of fame...

                                          Yeah side stand switch is common on all bikes. Should be relatively simple to figure out.

                                          Hopefully it's the switch and not the CDI.

                                          Yeah pumps can be weird to diagnose, better run premix whilst you're figuring it all out!

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                                          Louis-DT-WR
                                          wrote on 21 Jan 2019, 19:08 last edited by
                                          #143

                                          @Calum thanks a lot man.

                                          It didn't have a side stand switch before.
                                          It was looped (wiring present) but I bought a universal switch. I'll do a circuit test on it.

                                          Yes I'm running premix arm. Engine is sweet!
                                          No leaks!

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