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Power valve o rings?

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    SpookDog
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    I don’t know where the seal fit is all. Putting it together and in is no problem. I just don’t think it was correct when I took it out..

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      SpookDog
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      Or are the orange seals for servo PVs only?...

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        Calum
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        No 19 are the seals. They sit in the bushes.

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          SpookDog
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          The kickstart side is straightforward, simple groove that fits perfectly. It’s the gearchange side that has no groove or place for a seal. The previous owner had the orange one just flopping around and a black smaller o ring squashed flat between the bush and the cover. Neither of those two are affecting a seal. I’ll check and see if there’s a paper gasket for that side. That would be enough of a seal...
          It’s frustrating when the last owner didn’t know what they were doing, it makes reassembly a bear!...

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            Calum
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            The pictures are a give away.

            The bush there has a groove cut out of it, the O-Ring sits inside the groove, the bush secures to powervalve in place.

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              SpookDog
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              Sorry bud? Pics? I get a link with ‘all text’ access denied.
              Neither my bush or the cover have oring grooves on them, on that side. I wish I could post pics to show you what I mean but I just have a phone.

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                Calum
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                @SpookDog Oh Yeah 🤣 How annoying.

                Sorry, it looks like they are blocking that resource.

                It's a parts diagram showing you where the O-Rings go.

                https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/main/img/assemblies/large/e2bbdd33f448b949dadded717beb407f.png?6

                I'll get it hosted elsewhere and link it in.

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                  SpookDog
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                  Fowler’s don’t like hotlinking apparently!😊
                  I found the diagram, unfortunately it is different from what I have fitted. I found I can affect a seal if I slip the oring over the end cap. Without it the whole cap/bush is very loose. It slops around loads! Whereas the other side is a good fit.
                  I wasn’t even sure if it was original to the barrel. Who knows what butchery was done before. The PV has 3bn on it I think, yet the barrel is 3mb. I don’t know if there’s a difference. I’m still fumbling around in the dark. The only other 2strokes I’ve worked on were air cooled, ts er’s, and more shedloads of Vespa & Lambretta’s than I can recall. I don’t recall them having an oring between them 🙂
                  Cheers bud!

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                    Calum
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                    The bushes wear out.

                    There were different types of powervalves, not sure how they differed on the bush side of things though.

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                      SpookDog
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                      One more question! Do you know what the black oring is for? I’ve got a full gasket set with black oring, but the only black oring I found was squashed into the PV and is obviously not right.
                      It’s about 3/4 inch.

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                        SpookDog
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                        Sorry, was busy thumb typing on a tiny screen!🤪
                        It’s not just the bush, the end cap it fits into also seems small. Plus it’s fixed, doesn’t move...
                        I’m guessing that the 3mb was a later servo operated valve? Totally different end cap on that side?...

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                          Sorry, was busy thumb typing on a tiny screen!🤪
                          It’s not just the bush, the end cap it fits into also seems small. Plus it’s fixed, doesn’t move...
                          I’m guessing that the 3mb was a later servo operated valve? Totally different end cap on that side?...

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                          Calum
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                          @SpookDog the markings on the powervalve are misleading. I can't remember what is on the 3mb barrel. I do know that the two barrels take different valves, but I don't think the codes are representative.

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                            Nottsbiker
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                            Dont do what I did when I was being stupid and try and fit the o-rings onto the power valve itself lol

                            They go into the end caps and there is also an orange seal for the pulley end as well

                            I also got a black o-ring in my Athena gasket kit from PJME and have no idea where it goes

                            Wish it was the thermostat one as I need one but its the wrong size

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                              Calum
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                              Thermostat is paper gasket IIRC. Kellogs Cereal will do.

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                                SpookDog
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                                Same as in my gasket set, it’s to small. You need a 33mm one for the thermostat. Get one from eBay. If you don’t have an account someone here will probably order it for you. It’ll be pennies ...

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                                  SpookDog
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                                  Sorry it’s 27mm Inner Diametre X 2.5 or 3mm Cross Section.

                                  Calum, cheers for the info bud, it puts my mind to rest. I always worry more when learning a new engine...

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                                    Thermostat is paper gasket IIRC. Kellogs Cereal will do.

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                                    Nottsbiker
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                                    @Calum there is an o-ring under the thermostat itself with the gasket above that

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                                      SpookDog
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                                      The small oring in the gasket set is for the metal coolant pipe. It goes on the end that mates to the pump. Mysteries solved!...

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                                        Calum
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                                        Hhmm, yeah it's been such a long time since I've worked on that engine

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                                          SpookDog
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                                          Hey! You weren’t wrong, there is a paper gasket. I was wrong about the oring though. It’s to big for the coolant pipe🙄

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