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    Calum
    wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 19:06 last edited by
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    @MadGyver The O-Ring sits between the skull-cap and head cylinder head.

    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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      MadGyver
      wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 21:50 last edited by
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      @Calum I thought he meant the o-ring groove they do on cylinder head for replacing the gasket with o-ring.

      I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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        Calum
        wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 08:05 last edited by
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        Ah right. No, I didn't realise that the Athena kit used an O Ring for the above and consequently it leaked coolant 🤣

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          28 Oct 2023, 08:05

          Ah right. No, I didn't realise that the Athena kit used an O Ring for the above and consequently it leaked coolant 🤣

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          SpookDog
          wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 12:18 last edited by
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          @Calum

          I though you had an oring conversion on your kit?
          I didn’t know that they all used gaskets , doh!

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            28 Oct 2023, 12:18

            @Calum

            I though you had an oring conversion on your kit?
            I didn’t know that they all used gaskets , doh!

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            SpookDog
            wrote on 31 Oct 2023, 18:53 last edited by
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            I’ve been getting a niggle the last few days. When I fitted a new pilot jet a month or three ago the rev pickup was so much improved that my little bike was actually popping unintentional little wheelies when I was pulling away, even cold. Just lately it’s been getting unresponsive, you can hear the ‘bore noise’ from the carb without the engine picking up. If that makes sense?
            Any ideas wtf it’s caused by?
            I’ve been getting crap in the carb problems forever, usually it’s the pilot that gets affected. Does this sound like main jet obstruction?

            Any help, Yada ~ yada…

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              Calum
              wrote on 31 Oct 2023, 20:08 last edited by
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              My Cagiva is running like shit at the moment.

              Built that engine the summer and it was legit rapid. Went to Belgium a few weeks ago and come back and the bike ran so bad. Spent the last two weekends jetting it. It can't be the fuel since that's the same before I went to Belgium, however the temperature has dropped...

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                OllieDTR
                wrote on 31 Oct 2023, 21:59 last edited by
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                Might have to upjet in this weather mate, my French import bike loved to run on 210 in summer and 22.5 pilot when winter came, didn’t like it at nightime I had to go up one jet on each

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                  31 Oct 2023, 20:08

                  My Cagiva is running like shit at the moment.

                  Built that engine the summer and it was legit rapid. Went to Belgium a few weeks ago and come back and the bike ran so bad. Spent the last two weekends jetting it. It can't be the fuel since that's the same before I went to Belgium, however the temperature has dropped...

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                  SpookDog
                  wrote on 1 Nov 2023, 04:13 last edited by SpookDog 11 Jan 2023, 04:14
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                  It’s a weird one! I cleaned the carb out again. Another tiny little bead of shitty/water in the bottom of the bowl. Not even half a match head. Less than usual.
                  This time I junked the air filter because it was starting to disintegrate. I thought I had a good NOS one but that was crumbling as well! It’s definitely running and picking up a lot better without the old filter. Seems it’s down to the fact that it really doesn’t like the damp atmosphere this weather is making. Way too humid…
                  Too much rain! I didn’t even consider a low pressure atmosphere!…

                  It used to really love the cool dry early 5o’clock morning air a few months ago! You could really feel the extra whump to each charge of mixture. Especially at low rpms…

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                    31 Oct 2023, 21:59

                    Might have to upjet in this weather mate, my French import bike loved to run on 210 in summer and 22.5 pilot when winter came, didn’t like it at nightime I had to go up one jet on each

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                    Calum
                    wrote on 1 Nov 2023, 09:19 last edited by
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                    @OllieDTR I think it was running savagely rich and now it's not atomising.

                    Anyway, yeah weather can affect it.

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                      1 Nov 2023, 04:13

                      It’s a weird one! I cleaned the carb out again. Another tiny little bead of shitty/water in the bottom of the bowl. Not even half a match head. Less than usual.
                      This time I junked the air filter because it was starting to disintegrate. I thought I had a good NOS one but that was crumbling as well! It’s definitely running and picking up a lot better without the old filter. Seems it’s down to the fact that it really doesn’t like the damp atmosphere this weather is making. Way too humid…
                      Too much rain! I didn’t even consider a low pressure atmosphere!…

                      It used to really love the cool dry early 5o’clock morning air a few months ago! You could really feel the extra whump to each charge of mixture. Especially at low rpms…

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                      SpookDog
                      wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 17:37 last edited by SpookDog 11 Apr 2023, 17:43
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                      I need a gudgeon/wrist pin for the Athena piston. Anyone have an old one spare or know where to get? I need to know the size as well. if I have to order 1 …

                      I believe it’s 55mm x 15mm but am not 100% sure…

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                        4 Nov 2023, 17:37

                        I need a gudgeon/wrist pin for the Athena piston. Anyone have an old one spare or know where to get? I need to know the size as well. if I have to order 1 …

                        I believe it’s 55mm x 15mm but am not 100% sure…

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                        OllieDTR
                        wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 18:12 last edited by
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                        @SpookDog

                        This for the 170kit mate?
                        Think I’ve got a spare I’ll check for you

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                          4 Nov 2023, 18:12

                          @SpookDog

                          This for the 170kit mate?
                          Think I’ve got a spare I’ll check for you

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                          SpookDog
                          wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 16:45 last edited by
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                          @OllieDTR

                          Yeah! It’s for the Athena 170 piston. If you got one it’d be sweet 🙂 …

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                            MadGyver
                            wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 18:48 last edited by
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                            @SpookDog I think it's the same size pin as the Yamaha YFS200 Blaster piston.

                            I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                              5 Nov 2023, 18:48

                              @SpookDog I think it's the same size pin as the Yamaha YFS200 Blaster piston.

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                              SpookDog
                              wrote on 6 Nov 2023, 15:31 last edited by
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                              @MadGyver

                              That sounds probable. Same size piston but with a longer stroke to take it up to the 200cc

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                                6 Nov 2023, 15:31

                                @MadGyver

                                That sounds probable. Same size piston but with a longer stroke to take it up to the 200cc

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                                SpookDog
                                wrote on 7 Nov 2023, 17:10 last edited by
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                                Can someone please measure the piston/gudgeon/wrist pin for the Athena 170cc kits piston?
                                I’m getting conflicting information from the web about them…

                                If anyone has an old spare unused one, please sell it to me or at least measure the thing! Please!
                                I’m guessing that the diameter is the same as the standard pin if it uses standard small end bearings? Just the length would be different?
                                I don’t have the tools to measure the pistons interior myself…

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                                  7 Nov 2023, 17:10

                                  Can someone please measure the piston/gudgeon/wrist pin for the Athena 170cc kits piston?
                                  I’m getting conflicting information from the web about them…

                                  If anyone has an old spare unused one, please sell it to me or at least measure the thing! Please!
                                  I’m guessing that the diameter is the same as the standard pin if it uses standard small end bearings? Just the length would be different?
                                  I don’t have the tools to measure the pistons interior myself…

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                                  OllieDTR
                                  wrote on 7 Nov 2023, 21:47 last edited by
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                                  @SpookDog

                                  Hi bud
                                  Send me your address in messages and I’ll send it out! Sorry I completely forgot to busy ripping on my dt😂
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                                    Rallyfinnen
                                    wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 06:16 last edited by
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                                    I don't have the possibility to measure, but the diameter of the 170 pin is the same as stock, but it's longer. It's also lightened with a conical bore, so thinner walls towards the ends. I would not recommend a stock needle bearing with the 170-kit, there will be too much axial play on the bearing, so it can wander out of position. I had a lot of trouble finding a suitable needle bearing for mine.

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                                      MadGyver
                                      wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 07:21 last edited by MadGyver 11 Aug 2023, 07:22
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                                      @Rallyfinnen
                                      @SpookDog Small end bearing from the YFS200 Blaster is the proper one,fits like a glove. I have it on mine.
                                      The stock has too much play on the 170kit,as mentioned above.

                                      I need my tools and a pile of junk.....

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                                        7 Nov 2023, 21:47

                                        @SpookDog

                                        Hi bud
                                        Send me your address in messages and I’ll send it out! Sorry I completely forgot to busy ripping on my dt😂
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                                        SpookDog
                                        wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 16:57 last edited by
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                                        @OllieDTR

                                        Sent my siss’s address. It’s where all my tools and spare parts are! Well a dry place to work anyways 🙂 …

                                        Cheers for the info guys, will try and measure the gap in the inside of the piston for the little end bearing width…

                                        The roads we’re actually dry today. My bike actually felt like it was revving and pulling properly for the first time since it started pissing down with rain every day!…
                                        🙂 nice!…

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                                          Hark_Ptooie
                                          wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 21:03 last edited by
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                                          No expert in bearings, but are they not usually having rather standard measurements? Such as "Ø20 mm inside, Ø30 mm outside, 20 mm wide" and then graded by various tolerance requirements?

                                          If so - why do everybody post like "you need the bearing from a 1989 model XYZ345" instead of "SKF #7709 or equivalent from any of a dozen manufacturers"? Not sniping at Rallyfinnen here, it is a general observation from way back.

                                          I mean, these guys have thousands of sizes and models on the shelves that I can obtain within a week from local suppliers. That would be far easier than trying to track down a certain model built a certain year in a certain region.
                                          https://catalog.skfusa.com/data/bbm19enu/011/html/export/SKF Bearings and Mounted Products.pdf
                                          That's 579 pages of normal bearings, there are droves of specials as well.

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