I use the Athena pipe with the 170 cylinder, it works quite well, and most of the power is in the midrange, even if I can get it to rev higher with modified ignition curve, the torque is in the midrange. I have seen Mick Abbey writing somewhere that the stinger ID needs to be at least 22mm (or was it 23) with the 170 kit, so that is a bit tight at least with the Athena pipe. The black paint seems to hold up quite well on the Athena-branded version.