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@SpookDog Definitely not putting the gasket on upside down?
You're torquing the head up evenly in a star pattern up to around 22nm? Are you using grease in the bolts as this will impact the reading you get from the torque. Greased bolts torque higher than ungreased?
Sorry if this is very basic but I'm literally baffled!
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Up side up,
Using a 1/4 inch drive torque wrench (and lifting the engine up to get at all the nuts evenly and unobstructed)
Studs dry and wire brushed clean.
I clean the top of the barrel and the head by gently lapping them with (180 grit I think) wet & dry on glass, then look for any high or low points with a steel rule.
I clean everything down with solvent, except the gasket which I use straight out of the plastic wrap.I seriously don’t take offence. It’s a mystery to me what I’m doing wrong, but I’ll get there eventually! It only took me 18 months to work out the jetting!
I haven’t loosened or removed the head at all. I haven’t thought about retorquing the head after running just because it’s such a pain in the ass to get at the nuts ‘in frame’
I might have to consider it though. Does anyone else re-torque after first run?...@SpookDog I mean with expansion sometimes things can work loose, people heat things up when they can’t get it loose, I will probably recheck mine. I’m pretty sure when I changed my sump gasket on my landrover the other month it said on the guide check the torque of the bolts once the engines warmed up
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Actually, I think I’ve been tightening them up to 28 kgf-m
I’ll have to double check before I loose the nuts off. If it’s over tightening I’ll kick myself! -
@SpookDog I've retorqued them on my DT as it was leaking coolant out the side
I thought it said 12nm torque which was far too low. Still head gasket was fine to retorque even though I'd done several trips to the shops on it. -
@Calum
That is well surprising! I’d of thought that once contaminated with coolant it’d be FUBAR -
@SpookDog I am running the Athena 170 kit at the moment. This runs a separate head to water jacket and uses an o ring gasket for the combustion chamber.
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After I took the top end off I managed to break a head stud off level with the barrel while removing them to clean/lap the barrel! FML, eh?! I get all the luck it seems.
So I put the 3MBp00 barrel, piston & head on that I brought recently. Just for the time being. When I first rode it I thought I’d broke the power valve servo wires or such. It was so lacking the usual low down torque. Once I’d established that the servo was working I took it for a ride, it took me a while to get used to the bike feeling so very different, but man that 1mm difference rocks! It really makes the power band noticeable!
I need to take some pics of the 3mb head, piston and gasket that I took off. Once I get camera working!
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After I took the top end off I managed to break a head stud off level with the barrel while removing them to clean/lap the barrel! FML, eh?! I get all the luck it seems.
So I put the 3MBp00 barrel, piston & head on that I brought recently. Just for the time being. When I first rode it I thought I’d broke the power valve servo wires or such. It was so lacking the usual low down torque. Once I’d established that the servo was working I took it for a ride, it took me a while to get used to the bike feeling so very different, but man that 1mm difference rocks! It really makes the power band noticeable!I need to take some pics of the 3mb head, piston and gasket that I took off. Once I get camera working!
@SpookDog Your previous barrel must of been worn out and lack
of power if think 3MB00P has more power as so mildly ported, the
P stamped parts had slighty more power as had different carbs etc. The P stamped head is standard 3MB head just without the casting numbers on top.. -
@SpookDog Your previous barrel must of been worn out and lack
of power if think 3MB00P has more power as so mildly ported, the
P stamped parts had slighty more power as had different carbs etc. The P stamped head is standard 3MB head just without the casting numbers on top..@theportingmaster I personally didn't like the P barrel. It might have been great on the TZR, but for the DTR it didn't suit the riding position/style.
I will still keep it to one side nevertheless.
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@SpookDog Your previous barrel must of been worn out and lack
of power if think 3MB00P has more power as so mildly ported, the
P stamped parts had slighty more power as had different carbs etc. The P stamped head is standard 3MB head just without the casting numbers on top..I wouldn’t mean to say power per se, it’s more the way it comes on. It just feels like a totally different animal. It reminds me of an old rd125lc I rode years ago. My old barrel had loads of usable torque in comparison...
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I wouldn’t mean to say power per se, it’s more the way it comes on. It just feels like a totally different animal. It reminds me of an old rd125lc I rode years ago. My old barrel had loads of usable torque in comparison...
@SpookDog I felt it shifted the power which would be useful tucked in behind a wind shield and what not, but my DT is a town/city rider and doesn't go faster than ~60mph
When I got it 12 years ago the clocks read out 85MPH. So all those "mods" I've done have made it a lot slower lol.
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@SpookDog I felt it shifted the power which would be useful tucked in behind a wind shield and what not, but my DT is a town/city rider and doesn't go faster than ~60mph
When I got it 12 years ago the clocks read out 85MPH. So all those "mods" I've done have made it a lot slower lol.
Head gasket blown again! Second time in two months. I’ve had problems with 3 different barrel and head combinations. The only common factor is me and the antifreeze/coolant I’ve used. I’m gonna guess it’s not the coolant
Weird thing is every single time it’s failed on the top/head side of the gasket. Between the head and gasket surfaces. Never between the gasket and the barrel...
This is the first time this combo has failed (3mbP head & barrel) and I never removed the studs to clean the top of the barrel (because I had a stud shear off on my last barrel) It’ll be interesting to see which side of the gasket failed this time...
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Head gasket blown again! Second time in two months. I’ve had problems with 3 different barrel and head combinations. The only common factor is me and the antifreeze/coolant I’ve used. I’m gonna guess it’s not the coolant
Weird thing is every single time it’s failed on the top/head side of the gasket. Between the head and gasket surfaces. Never between the gasket and the barrel...
This is the first time this combo has failed (3mbP head & barrel) and I never removed the studs to clean the top of the barrel (because I had a stud shear off on my last barrel) It’ll be interesting to see which side of the gasket failed this time...
@SpookDog And it's definitely the head that's causing the problem and not some other underlying problem.
For example, I am merely hypothesising here, what if the coolant expansion spring on the radiator cap has failed and the coolant is expanding, adding pressure to the coolant system and eventually so much so that the only place the coolant can go is through the gasket?
This is really not a hard job and I simply can't see you doing anything wrong here (other than putting the gasket on the wrong way up).
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@SpookDog And it's definitely the head that's causing the problem and not some other underlying problem.
For example, I am merely hypothesising here, what if the coolant expansion spring on the radiator cap has failed and the coolant is expanding, adding pressure to the coolant system and eventually so much so that the only place the coolant can go is through the gasket?
This is really not a hard job and I simply can't see you doing anything wrong here (other than putting the gasket on the wrong way up).
Agree with Calum, you really can't be this un lucky with head gaskets. My own dt had head gasket symptoms, pushing water out the expansion bottle. Turned out to be a slight bit of damage on the radiator filler. Where the cap seal, seals against. It was just allowing water past as the coolant expanded as it warmed up. Also coolant will boil at a lower temperature, if isn't under pressure. I say it's well worth looking at this from a different angle.
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Agree with Calum, you really can't be this un lucky with head gaskets. My own dt had head gasket symptoms, pushing water out the expansion bottle. Turned out to be a slight bit of damage on the radiator filler. Where the cap seal, seals against. It was just allowing water past as the coolant expanded as it warmed up. Also coolant will boil at a lower temperature, if isn't under pressure. I say it's well worth looking at this from a different angle.
Hi. I cant seem to access my account...
I can't get to the change password option either...
Is this a problem with me or the site?...SpookDog...
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Hi. I cant seem to access my account...
I can't get to the change password option either...
Is this a problem with me or the site?...SpookDog...
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@biohazard13 I've been having major problems with site not working for a few days so maybe
@declan It's not not working, the IP address changed so I had to reconfigure the DNS entry, then that takes time to replicate across DNS and then your computer has to refresh the entry etc.
That said, I only changed the DNS entry last night. Was still up though, if you knew where to find it.
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@declan It's not not working, the IP address changed so I had to reconfigure the DNS entry, then that takes time to replicate across DNS and then your computer has to refresh the entry etc.
That said, I only changed the DNS entry last night. Was still up though, if you knew where to find it.
@Calum Hey bud, why cant i use my spookdog account? I cant do a password retreval. Can you sign me in so i can use my spookdog account on my iphone?...
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@Calum Hey bud, why cant i use my spookdog account? I cant do a password retreval. Can you sign me in so i can use my spookdog account on my iphone?...
@biohazard13 I sent you a private message a few weeks ago. Check your private messages.
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@Calum Hey bud, why cant i use my spookdog account? I cant do a password retreval. Can you sign me in so i can use my spookdog account on my iphone?...
Hey peeps! Nice to be back and posting in my own skin!...
Since the 3mbP barrel & head failed its head gasket I put the old 3mb back on. I had to get a Heli coil put in as one of the head studs snapped off level with the barrel. Unfortunately the bike shop put it in wonky
I had to drill out the corresponding hole in the head to allow it to seat properly over all 5 studs.I should of opened them all up by 1mm!
Unfortunately it was just a bit too tight against the other studs. So over a short time, heat expansion must of lifted the back of the head ‘up onto the rear studs’ so, you guessed it! Another head gasket blown 🤪 3 weeks this time...
OMFL!
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