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Dtr 125 zeelectronic info

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    Irongamer727
    wrote on 23 Oct 2017, 20:06 last edited by
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    So this gadget can alter the ignition timing? Why would Yamaha not use the best one? Or can the different settings be good for different reasons? So for example you can remap the bike when chasing too speed and remap it again when chasing aggressive acceleration? Please, explain it 😉

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      gareth_iowc
      wrote on 23 Oct 2017, 20:17 last edited by
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      look good @Darty.

      do you have it up and running on your bike?

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      • D Darty
        23 Oct 2017, 19:45

        @calum alt text

        Literally plugs and play. Provided, you do need a laptop..and a good idea of what your actually doing.

        I think your all mad spending nearly £300 on a Zeel system with programmer, on a DTR125 none the less, only to then have equipment you wont quite understand.

        Nothing against Zeeltronic,

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        declan
        wrote on 23 Oct 2017, 20:30 last edited by
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        @darty any links for a purchase bud?

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        • D Darty
          23 Oct 2017, 19:45

          @calum alt text

          Literally plugs and play. Provided, you do need a laptop..and a good idea of what your actually doing.

          I think your all mad spending nearly £300 on a Zeel system with programmer, on a DTR125 none the less, only to then have equipment you wont quite understand.

          Nothing against Zeeltronic,

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          Calum
          wrote on 23 Oct 2017, 21:41 last edited by
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          @darty Ah that's nice.

          Yeah I didn't really think about the price to be fair. As said, I got mine for £160 from Skellerns.

          @Irongamer727 Why would Yamaha not use the best one what?

          The bikes were limited to 15Kw power. They achieved thay easily, and therefore had no need to create an aggressive map.

          As said, aggressive maps are more prone to detonation, and therefore harder to tune for bikes to run all over the world without any modification.

          They also are more peaky, and therefore less tractable.

          But the maps on the RE are pretty sweet. Comes on nicely.

          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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          • G gareth_iowc
            23 Oct 2017, 20:17

            look good @Darty.

            do you have it up and running on your bike?

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            Darty
            wrote on 24 Oct 2017, 11:34 last edited by
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            @gareth_iowc

            https://dt125r.co.uk/topic/77/yamaha-dt125r-01-running-project/86

            I finally made a mount for it,

            @Irongamer727 Yamaha's ignition curve is for low octane fuel range, reliability, low end torque and wide efficiency.

            It is one of the most limiting factors of the engine,

            Keep it real

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              24 Oct 2017, 11:34

              @gareth_iowc

              https://dt125r.co.uk/topic/77/yamaha-dt125r-01-running-project/86

              I finally made a mount for it,

              @Irongamer727 Yamaha's ignition curve is for low octane fuel range, reliability, low end torque and wide efficiency.

              It is one of the most limiting factors of the engine,

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              Irongamer727
              wrote on 24 Oct 2017, 12:22 last edited by Irongamer727
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              @darty where did you buy it?

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                Irongamer727
                wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 09:26 last edited by
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                Allright, I have spoken to both the zeeltronic company and the ignitech company. Both come with contacts and everything is plug and play. Both are programmable. However, I don't see the reason why you would go for the zeeltronic instead of the ignitech.

                Ignitech prize plus connectors~170 €

                Zeeltronic including connectors and some program ~ 300€

                Ignitech seems like the obvious choice to me

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                • I Irongamer727
                  26 Oct 2017, 09:26

                  Allright, I have spoken to both the zeeltronic company and the ignitech company. Both come with contacts and everything is plug and play. Both are programmable. However, I don't see the reason why you would go for the zeeltronic instead of the ignitech.

                  Ignitech prize plus connectors~170 €

                  Zeeltronic including connectors and some program ~ 300€

                  Ignitech seems like the obvious choice to me

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                  declan
                  wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 10:27 last edited by
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                  @irongamer727 so let’s just get this right I buy igni set it up then just plug it in to my dtr straight fit no bullshit?

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                    26 Oct 2017, 10:27

                    @irongamer727 so let’s just get this right I buy igni set it up then just plug it in to my dtr straight fit no bullshit?

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                    Irongamer727
                    wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 10:37 last edited by
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                    @declan seems like it. It's suppost to come with some base map but I have no clue how that is.

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                    • I Irongamer727
                      26 Oct 2017, 10:37

                      @declan seems like it. It's suppost to come with some base map but I have no clue how that is.

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                      declan
                      wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 10:46 last edited by
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                      @irongamer727 I think darty said it worked really good

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                        26 Oct 2017, 10:46

                        @irongamer727 I think darty said it worked really good

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                        terry.tz
                        wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 12:51 last edited by
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                        @declan just been looking at the software looks easy to deal with no stupid extra charge for a silly device to programme it just download plug into laptop and easy programme tool

                        "Muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone" Alan Watts

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                          26 Oct 2017, 12:51

                          @declan just been looking at the software looks easy to deal with no stupid extra charge for a silly device to programme it just download plug into laptop and easy programme tool

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                          declan
                          wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 14:24 last edited by
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                          @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

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                            26 Oct 2017, 14:24

                            @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

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                            scrimsmustang
                            wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 15:07 last edited by
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                            @declan said in Dtr 125 zeelectronic info:

                            @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

                            Why not just use a standard 89/90 cdi there is no restriction at all in them and the bike will rev completely out and do the clock with the right gearing.

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                              26 Oct 2017, 15:07

                              @declan said in Dtr 125 zeelectronic info:

                              @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

                              Why not just use a standard 89/90 cdi there is no restriction at all in them and the bike will rev completely out and do the clock with the right gearing.

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                              terry.tz
                              wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 15:17 last edited by
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                              @scrimsmustang can't imagine them being cheap

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                                terry.tz
                                wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 15:19 last edited by
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                                so won't save much and there will be no servo control and kind of not plug and play I don't know just making the assumption

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                                  26 Oct 2017, 15:19

                                  so won't save much and there will be no servo control and kind of not plug and play I don't know just making the assumption

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                                  declan
                                  wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 16:28 last edited by
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                                  @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                    26 Oct 2017, 16:28

                                    @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                    Irongamer727
                                    wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 16:29 last edited by
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                                    @declan write to them yourself. Just Google ignitech and email them. They will answer in a matter of minutes!

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                                      26 Oct 2017, 16:29

                                      @declan write to them yourself. Just Google ignitech and email them. They will answer in a matter of minutes!

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                                      declan
                                      wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 16:29 last edited by
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                                      @irongamer727 will do thank you!

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                                        26 Oct 2017, 16:28

                                        @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                        Calum
                                        wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 16:55 last edited by
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                                        @declan Could just step the ignition for more advance. That's what they do on the Rotax 122 engines.

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                                          26 Oct 2017, 16:55

                                          @declan Could just step the ignition for more advance. That's what they do on the Rotax 122 engines.

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                                          scrimsmustang
                                          wrote on 26 Oct 2017, 21:48 last edited by
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                                          @calum In theory could you not just try moving the statorplate to advance or retard the ignition slightly. I notice they are fixed set on all DTR,s by the screws with no adjustment allowed. Thats not the case on old DT,s like 175MX or DT125LC MK1 etc these all use cdi ignitions but all allow advance and retard at the statorplate.

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