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  • DartyD Darty

    @calum alt text

    Literally plugs and play. Provided, you do need a laptop..and a good idea of what your actually doing.

    I think your all mad spending nearly £300 on a Zeel system with programmer, on a DTR125 none the less, only to then have equipment you wont quite understand.

    Nothing against Zeeltronic,

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    @darty any links for a purchase bud?

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    • DartyD Darty

      @calum alt text

      Literally plugs and play. Provided, you do need a laptop..and a good idea of what your actually doing.

      I think your all mad spending nearly £300 on a Zeel system with programmer, on a DTR125 none the less, only to then have equipment you wont quite understand.

      Nothing against Zeeltronic,

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      @darty Ah that's nice.

      Yeah I didn't really think about the price to be fair. As said, I got mine for £160 from Skellerns.

      @Irongamer727 Why would Yamaha not use the best one what?

      The bikes were limited to 15Kw power. They achieved thay easily, and therefore had no need to create an aggressive map.

      As said, aggressive maps are more prone to detonation, and therefore harder to tune for bikes to run all over the world without any modification.

      They also are more peaky, and therefore less tractable.

      But the maps on the RE are pretty sweet. Comes on nicely.

      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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      • G gareth_iowc

        look good @Darty.

        do you have it up and running on your bike?

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        @gareth_iowc

        https://dt125r.co.uk/topic/77/yamaha-dt125r-01-running-project/86

        I finally made a mount for it,

        @Irongamer727 Yamaha's ignition curve is for low octane fuel range, reliability, low end torque and wide efficiency.

        It is one of the most limiting factors of the engine,

        Keep it real

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        • DartyD Darty

          @gareth_iowc

          https://dt125r.co.uk/topic/77/yamaha-dt125r-01-running-project/86

          I finally made a mount for it,

          @Irongamer727 Yamaha's ignition curve is for low octane fuel range, reliability, low end torque and wide efficiency.

          It is one of the most limiting factors of the engine,

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          Irongamer727
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          @darty where did you buy it?

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            Irongamer727
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            Allright, I have spoken to both the zeeltronic company and the ignitech company. Both come with contacts and everything is plug and play. Both are programmable. However, I don't see the reason why you would go for the zeeltronic instead of the ignitech.

            Ignitech prize plus connectors~170 €

            Zeeltronic including connectors and some program ~ 300€

            Ignitech seems like the obvious choice to me

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            • Irongamer727I Irongamer727

              Allright, I have spoken to both the zeeltronic company and the ignitech company. Both come with contacts and everything is plug and play. Both are programmable. However, I don't see the reason why you would go for the zeeltronic instead of the ignitech.

              Ignitech prize plus connectors~170 €

              Zeeltronic including connectors and some program ~ 300€

              Ignitech seems like the obvious choice to me

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              @irongamer727 so let’s just get this right I buy igni set it up then just plug it in to my dtr straight fit no bullshit?

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              • declanD declan

                @irongamer727 so let’s just get this right I buy igni set it up then just plug it in to my dtr straight fit no bullshit?

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                @declan seems like it. It's suppost to come with some base map but I have no clue how that is.

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                • Irongamer727I Irongamer727

                  @declan seems like it. It's suppost to come with some base map but I have no clue how that is.

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                  @irongamer727 I think darty said it worked really good

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                  • declanD declan

                    @irongamer727 I think darty said it worked really good

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                    @declan just been looking at the software looks easy to deal with no stupid extra charge for a silly device to programme it just download plug into laptop and easy programme tool

                    "Muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone" Alan Watts

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                    • terry.tzT terry.tz

                      @declan just been looking at the software looks easy to deal with no stupid extra charge for a silly device to programme it just download plug into laptop and easy programme tool

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                      @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

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                      • declanD declan

                        @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

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                        @declan said in Dtr 125 zeelectronic info:

                        @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

                        Why not just use a standard 89/90 cdi there is no restriction at all in them and the bike will rev completely out and do the clock with the right gearing.

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                          @declan said in Dtr 125 zeelectronic info:

                          @terry-tz hmmm looks like I’m gonna have to ask Father Christmas lol do you know to any uk distributors?

                          Why not just use a standard 89/90 cdi there is no restriction at all in them and the bike will rev completely out and do the clock with the right gearing.

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                          @scrimsmustang can't imagine them being cheap

                          "Muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone" Alan Watts

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                            so won't save much and there will be no servo control and kind of not plug and play I don't know just making the assumption

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                            • terry.tzT terry.tz

                              so won't save much and there will be no servo control and kind of not plug and play I don't know just making the assumption

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                              @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                @declan write to them yourself. Just Google ignitech and email them. They will answer in a matter of minutes!

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                                • Irongamer727I Irongamer727

                                  @declan write to them yourself. Just Google ignitech and email them. They will answer in a matter of minutes!

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                                  @irongamer727 will do thank you!

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                                  • declanD declan

                                    @terry-tz your right mate they’re hard to get and expensive besides isn’t adjustable ignition fucking cool?

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                                    Calum
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                                    @declan Could just step the ignition for more advance. That's what they do on the Rotax 122 engines.

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                                      @declan Could just step the ignition for more advance. That's what they do on the Rotax 122 engines.

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                                      @calum In theory could you not just try moving the statorplate to advance or retard the ignition slightly. I notice they are fixed set on all DTR,s by the screws with no adjustment allowed. Thats not the case on old DT,s like 175MX or DT125LC MK1 etc these all use cdi ignitions but all allow advance and retard at the statorplate.

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                                        @calum In theory could you not just try moving the statorplate to advance or retard the ignition slightly. I notice they are fixed set on all DTR,s by the screws with no adjustment allowed. Thats not the case on old DT,s like 175MX or DT125LC MK1 etc these all use cdi ignitions but all allow advance and retard at the statorplate.

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                                        @scrimsmustang Bore out the holes on the stator play to allow some wiggle room.

                                        The problem is, you're stepping the whole ignition, even at high RPM's where the ignition will be slightly retarded to reduce the risk of detonation.

                                        I know they do it to the Rotax, but then that's a competition engine. Where people maticulously maintain them. And they're built every season.

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                                        • CalumC Calum

                                          @scrimsmustang Bore out the holes on the stator play to allow some wiggle room.

                                          The problem is, you're stepping the whole ignition, even at high RPM's where the ignition will be slightly retarded to reduce the risk of detonation.

                                          I know they do it to the Rotax, but then that's a competition engine. Where people maticulously maintain them. And they're built every season.

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                                          @calum Yeah allow a little wiggle room like you say, its possible on the old ones. I recon its just Yamaha playing safe on the DTR if you have a strobe light you can do it I recon to any degree you want from a base setting of standard. In theory

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