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Dt170 vs ktm exc 125

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  • D declan
    30 Oct 2017, 17:46

    @calum what’s preventing my am6 engine from reaching say cr80 performance say I put a cr80 head on there magicaly get the crank to fit with the carb etc would it essentially be nearly as fast as one like what’s the limiting factors apart from fitment of Honda parts

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    Calum
    wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 17:51 last edited by
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    @declan Cylinder wall thickness I expect. Only so much porting you can do.

    You could get the DT to be like a YZ. Just needs blue printing.

    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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      30 Oct 2017, 17:51

      @declan Cylinder wall thickness I expect. Only so much porting you can do.

      You could get the DT to be like a YZ. Just needs blue printing.

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      declan
      wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 17:54 last edited by
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      @calum so I can get performance cranks which increase compression there’s a few so your saying that with a nice crank re bore and specialist porting I could get pretty impressive figures? I’m obviously and a Bafoon when it comes to this stuff

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        30 Oct 2017, 17:54

        @calum so I can get performance cranks which increase compression there’s a few so your saying that with a nice crank re bore and specialist porting I could get pretty impressive figures? I’m obviously and a Bafoon when it comes to this stuff

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        Irongamer727
        wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 17:56 last edited by
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        @declan the am6 has so much tuning potential. You could go for the Parmakit 110cc or for more performance the Stage 6 90cc or something like that. But spending those kind of money on a moped engine isn't worth it. You're dt is still going to run better.

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        • I Irongamer727
          30 Oct 2017, 17:56

          @declan the am6 has so much tuning potential. You could go for the Parmakit 110cc or for more performance the Stage 6 90cc or something like that. But spending those kind of money on a moped engine isn't worth it. You're dt is still going to run better.

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          declan
          wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:04 last edited by declan
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          @irongamer727 yeah those kits are mad expensive In some cases I can get Airsal kits for around 200 Ish rated for around 14hp maybe if I paired that up with a nice crank it would be nice but it adds up I guess

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            30 Oct 2017, 17:51

            @declan Cylinder wall thickness I expect. Only so much porting you can do.

            You could get the DT to be like a YZ. Just needs blue printing.

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            Irongamer727
            wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:23 last edited by
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            @calum listen to this. https://youtu.be/IuAemxWYHLw It is sounding sooooo good. Especially on idle. Love that 2 stroke sound. But, my Dt never sounds like that. With arrow exhaust. Do you need like a fmf shorty to acquire that type of sound?

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            • D declan
              30 Oct 2017, 17:54

              @calum so I can get performance cranks which increase compression there’s a few so your saying that with a nice crank re bore and specialist porting I could get pretty impressive figures? I’m obviously and a Bafoon when it comes to this stuff

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              Calum
              wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:36 last edited by
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              @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

              Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                30 Oct 2017, 18:36

                @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

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                declan
                wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:45 last edited by
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                @calum like a dt engine 😁

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                • C Calum
                  30 Oct 2017, 18:36

                  @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

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                  Calum
                  wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 21:17 last edited by
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                  @declan Like a Rotax engine. Personally.

                  I think they're really versatile. Loads of tuning bikes, were used competitively yet have all the features to make them tame for the road. Can be tuned very well, and take lots of power.

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                    30 Oct 2017, 21:17

                    @declan Like a Rotax engine. Personally.

                    I think they're really versatile. Loads of tuning bikes, were used competitively yet have all the features to make them tame for the road. Can be tuned very well, and take lots of power.

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                    NINJA
                    wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:05 last edited by
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                    @calum Take or Make lots of power ???

                    SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                    • I Irongamer727
                      30 Oct 2017, 18:23

                      @calum listen to this. https://youtu.be/IuAemxWYHLw It is sounding sooooo good. Especially on idle. Love that 2 stroke sound. But, my Dt never sounds like that. With arrow exhaust. Do you need like a fmf shorty to acquire that type of sound?

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                      Glynn123
                      wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:39 last edited by
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                      @irongamer727 That sound is obviously deeper being a 170, but it sounds similar to my Romeu Hendriques system? but ofcourse its alot quieter on my bike haha, I had an old style circular Dep silencer a while ago on my DT and it was very loud and sounded "poppy" like that 170, im pretty sure it had no or very little packing in it haha.
                      This is a clip of my bike, sounds better in real life mind
                      https://youtu.be/d51-dlxQV8g

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                      • N NINJA
                        30 Oct 2017, 22:05

                        @calum Take or Make lots of power ???

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                        Calum
                        wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:58 last edited by
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                        @ninja Take, they TAKE lots of stick. They blow up, sure they are prone to failure. But that's cause people shove loads of power into them lmao!

                        Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                        • G Glynn123
                          30 Oct 2017, 22:39

                          @irongamer727 That sound is obviously deeper being a 170, but it sounds similar to my Romeu Hendriques system? but ofcourse its alot quieter on my bike haha, I had an old style circular Dep silencer a while ago on my DT and it was very loud and sounded "poppy" like that 170, im pretty sure it had no or very little packing in it haha.
                          This is a clip of my bike, sounds better in real life mind
                          https://youtu.be/d51-dlxQV8g

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                          Irongamer727
                          wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 06:26 last edited by
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                          @glynn123 nice! Guess you have to remove the stuffing completely to make it sound like the 170 video.

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                            31 Oct 2017, 06:26

                            @glynn123 nice! Guess you have to remove the stuffing completely to make it sound like the 170 video.

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                            Calum
                            wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 11:32 last edited by
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                            @irongamer727 No don't do that. That would sound sh!t

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                              Darty
                              wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 11:49 last edited by
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                              @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                              but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

                              alt text

                              Mine sounds really good.

                              Keep it real

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                              • D Darty
                                31 Oct 2017, 11:49

                                @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                                but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

                                alt text

                                Mine sounds really good.

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                                declan
                                wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:00 last edited by
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                                @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud 😂😂

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                                • D declan
                                  31 Oct 2017, 12:00

                                  @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud 😂😂

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                                  NINJA
                                  wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:18 last edited by NINJA
                                  #83

                                  @declan It's open plan dude, that's all the rage in interior design!!! 😆

                                  SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                                  • D Darty
                                    31 Oct 2017, 11:49

                                    @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                                    but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

                                    alt text

                                    Mine sounds really good.

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                                    Irongamer727
                                    wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:26 last edited by
                                    #84

                                    @darty still my Arrow exhaust sounds pretty much the same as stock exhaust.

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                                    • D declan
                                      31 Oct 2017, 12:00

                                      @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud 😂😂

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                                      Darty
                                      wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:39 last edited by
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                                      @declan The snorkel still helps to stabilise air flow, even with a Lanza 230 snorkel, You just cant get enough air through it!

                                      Airbox is quite restrictive when your tuning these,

                                      Keep it real

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                                        NINJA
                                        wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 19:49 last edited by
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                                        I am always confused as to how any air is sucked in with the air box and snorkel system? To me is looks to be pointing in the wrong direction and I always feel that the rider and seat will reduce airflow around that area too. But I guess it is not too restrictive as all bikes perform extremely well with the air box and snorkel set-up. Has anyone tried small air scoops on the side of the air box to draw air into the box at all ???

                                        SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                                          31 Oct 2017, 19:49

                                          I am always confused as to how any air is sucked in with the air box and snorkel system? To me is looks to be pointing in the wrong direction and I always feel that the rider and seat will reduce airflow around that area too. But I guess it is not too restrictive as all bikes perform extremely well with the air box and snorkel set-up. Has anyone tried small air scoops on the side of the air box to draw air into the box at all ???

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                                          Calum
                                          wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 20:29 last edited by
                                          #87

                                          @ninja Ahem, RAM AIR.

                                          Also Aprilia RS125's do this. They take a scoop from the nose cone, and force it into the air box lol.

                                          But you can get nasty negative air pressure coefficients that cause adverse effects.

                                          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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