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3rd piston ring please help

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  • C Calum
    19 Jul 2017, 20:44

    Yeah but the load on the clutch in 1st is going to be minimal.

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    declan
    wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 21:04 last edited by
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    @calum so what would you lean to will bad plates have this effect?

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      19 Jul 2017, 21:04

      @calum so what would you lean to will bad plates have this effect?

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      Calum
      wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 22:39 last edited by
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      @declan Wouldn't be a bad place to start.

      An idea would be to see if it pulls fine with no load on the engine.

      So first just put the bike on a paddock, start it and go through all the gears. If that works no problems then jump on bike and od the same but keep it part throttle only. No load.

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      • C Calum
        19 Jul 2017, 22:39

        @declan Wouldn't be a bad place to start.

        An idea would be to see if it pulls fine with no load on the engine.

        So first just put the bike on a paddock, start it and go through all the gears. If that works no problems then jump on bike and od the same but keep it part throttle only. No load.

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        wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 23:43 last edited by
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        @calum I've tried it with no load it works pretty much as it should

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          19 Jul 2017, 23:43

          @calum I've tried it with no load it works pretty much as it should

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          Calum
          wrote on 19 Jul 2017, 23:46 last edited by
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          @declan With load on the engine does it revs hard and no power. Clutch is slipping then.

          Either adjust it or replace it.

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          • C Calum
            19 Jul 2017, 23:46

            @declan With load on the engine does it revs hard and no power. Clutch is slipping then.

            Either adjust it or replace it.

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            declan
            wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:26 last edited by
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            @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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            • D declan
              20 Jul 2017, 10:26

              @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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              Calum
              wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:27 last edited by
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              @declan Nah doesn't sound like clutch then.

              Sounds like it's a carb setting.

              Take the plug out and have a look.

              Could simply just not getting enough fuel.

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              • C Calum
                20 Jul 2017, 10:27

                @declan Nah doesn't sound like clutch then.

                Sounds like it's a carb setting.

                Take the plug out and have a look.

                Could simply just not getting enough fuel.

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                declan
                wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 10:52 last edited by
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                @calum that's what I'm thinking as after I try hit 3rd and stop it feels starved not revving clean and real slow idle but sorts it's self out after a rest I've been doing some tests as it's got an open filter not the box as I have no rubber or filter for the air box but I haven noticed anything by restricting air flow

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                • D declan
                  20 Jul 2017, 10:26

                  @calum no it lacks power off the line when moving its decent shift into 3rd the revs die down to a slow idle and you go about 3mph

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                  Calum
                  wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 12:52 last edited by
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                  @declan Sounds like fueling to me mate.

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                  • C Calum
                    20 Jul 2017, 12:52

                    @declan Sounds like fueling to me mate.

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                    declan
                    wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 14:09 last edited by
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                    @calum I'll pick up a new carb and see how it goes thank you

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                    • D declan
                      20 Jul 2017, 14:09

                      @calum I'll pick up a new carb and see how it goes thank you

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                      Calum
                      wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 16:35 last edited by
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                      @declan Just sort heone you got outmate.

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                      • C Calum
                        20 Jul 2017, 16:35

                        @declan Just sort heone you got outmate.

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                        declan
                        wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 17:06 last edited by
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                        @calum ive been through it more times I can count and never found any issues it's spotless and as for the settings I wouldn't have a clue I'm guess it's way lean on the a:f screw but it turns off on command when hot using the choke

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                          Jens Eskildsen
                          wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 18:13 last edited by
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                          Sounds rich to me. Lean would cause a high hanging idle. The bike should still rev out, just without much power.

                          When rich, everything is sluggish, and going WOT can feel like youre hitting a rev limiter, or as if the bike has a restriction.

                          Have you done all the basics? Fresh plug and clean airfilter? Is your floathight correct?

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                          • J Jens Eskildsen
                            20 Jul 2017, 18:13

                            Sounds rich to me. Lean would cause a high hanging idle. The bike should still rev out, just without much power.

                            When rich, everything is sluggish, and going WOT can feel like youre hitting a rev limiter, or as if the bike has a restriction.

                            Have you done all the basics? Fresh plug and clean airfilter? Is your floathight correct?

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                            declan
                            wrote on 20 Jul 2017, 18:26 last edited by
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                            @jens-eskildsen that's a no on the float I've never really done that unless I really need to and if it's rich what do you reccomend a:f screw for move the float pin? Plug is good and filter is good no air leaks

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                              Jens Eskildsen
                              wrote on 21 Jul 2017, 15:58 last edited by
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                              You could remove the side of the airbox and do a testrun and see if its better or worse.
                              Dont think you can adjust the airscrew enough to sort this out.

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                                21 Jul 2017, 15:58

                                You could remove the side of the airbox and do a testrun and see if its better or worse.
                                Dont think you can adjust the airscrew enough to sort this out.

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                                declan
                                wrote on 21 Jul 2017, 23:44 last edited by
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                                @jens-eskildsen I have an open filter cone style

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                                  Jens Eskildsen
                                  wrote on 21 Jul 2017, 23:57 last edited by
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                                  Whoa, that opens up another can of worms...

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                                  • J Jens Eskildsen
                                    21 Jul 2017, 23:57

                                    Whoa, that opens up another can of worms...

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                                    declan
                                    wrote on 22 Jul 2017, 12:27 last edited by
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                                    @jens-eskildsen that's why I said I was trying to restrict air flow but made no difference

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                                      Calum
                                      wrote on 22 Jul 2017, 12:58 last edited by
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                                      It's getting difficult.

                                      When you start modifying stuff you're making it harder to diagnose the problem.

                                      You really should only be modifying stuff when you know what you're doing.

                                      If you're stuck, then I would revert it all back to stock and take it from there.

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                                      • C Calum
                                        22 Jul 2017, 12:58

                                        It's getting difficult.

                                        When you start modifying stuff you're making it harder to diagnose the problem.

                                        You really should only be modifying stuff when you know what you're doing.

                                        If you're stuck, then I would revert it all back to stock and take it from there.

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                                        declan
                                        wrote on 22 Jul 2017, 13:40 last edited by
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                                        @calum that's the problem I haven't done this mod I got the bike with no filter assembly

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                                        • D declan
                                          22 Jul 2017, 13:40

                                          @calum that's the problem I haven't done this mod I got the bike with no filter assembly

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                                          Calum
                                          wrote on 22 Jul 2017, 13:49 last edited by
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                                          @declan Yeah, like I said. Get it all back to exactly how it should be. Then we can help to diagnose the fault.

                                          It might be overshadowed by one of the many mods that have been done to the bike, hence why we are all struggling to come up with a single solution.

                                          Or learn how jetting works. There is plenty of guidance on this forum for said information.

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