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    jonne123
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    im thinking of buying zeeltronic and then for dyno adjustment. "rather slow bike with good tune than fast bike with bad tune"

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    • CalumC Calum

      https://www.ultimatespecs.com/motorcycles-specs/yamaha/yamaha-dt-125-r-2002

      Maximum power - Output - Horsepower 14.10 HP (10.3 kW) @ 7000 RPM

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      Stevie Wonder
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      @Calum said in Dt 125r dyno:

      https://www.ultimatespecs.com/motorcycles-specs/yamaha/yamaha-dt-125-r-2002

      Maximum power - Output - Horsepower 14.10 HP (10.3 kW) @ 7000 RPM

      Sorry to intervene but a bone stock DTR can and will make 23hp?
      (I have a dyno printout to prove it but once again I’m on my phone and can’t upload it)
      However and this is a BIG however... I honestly believe that there where only ever 2 models of DTR capable of producing that figure from factory and without modification.

      The legendary fast boi UK 89 model and the French 97-98 4BL that came with the rare 3nc-20 CDI. (however even this model came with a 3BN head so could be argued that its “restricted” or generally not reaching its full potential.)

      Now I could be wrong, but every other model bike even regardless of area code that I’ve seen has had some kind of “restriction” or something that’s hinder its performance more then those other two bikes.

      However, Callum’s right about quite a few things. Firstly, remind yourself what your machine was designed for, it’s a steep learning curve for some of us me. Your DTR, just like mine, was never designed to be sending triples whilst waving a Ronnie Mac flag mid air. It was however designed to be bullet proof, see 14k on a set of rings and be as happy taking you to the shops as it is with some hooligan on it popping wheelies and blasting through some woods. The moment you realise that is the moment you’ll gain a whole new level of appreciation for the very capable little deee teee arrrr.

      Secondly another thing I had to learn is a two stroke is only ever as good as it’s last/current owner and with near enough all our bikes cracking on 20+ years old unless you’re lucky enough to own a very well preserved French bike or someone’s build you may as well just assume it has 15hp as you will never know what all of the bikes previous owners have done to it

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        im thinking of buying zeeltronic and then for dyno adjustment. "rather slow bike with good tune than fast bike with bad tune"

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        Arild
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        @jonne123
        Yeah theyre apparently supposed to be really good, but why not just aim to have a fast bike with a good tune, it doesnt have to be on or the other, all the fast bikes wouldnt be fast bikes without a good tune, dont really understand your quote

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          @jonne123
          Yeah theyre apparently supposed to be really good, but why not just aim to have a fast bike with a good tune, it doesnt have to be on or the other, all the fast bikes wouldnt be fast bikes without a good tune, dont really understand your quote

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          @Arild said in Dt 125r dyno:

          @jonne123
          Yeah theyre apparently supposed to be really good, but why not just aim to have a fast bike with a good tune, it doesnt have to be on or the other, all the fast bikes wouldnt be fast bikes without a good tune, dont really understand your quote

          Or even better firstly rule out what it is that you wish to achieve when you say “fast”

          Are we talking full on “wheelies every gear m8” or BARacing angry bicycle

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            Calum
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            So the argument I have about that is my DTR probably doesn't make that sort of power.

            Doesn't matter that it's not the "bad boy" French model since they aren't as tuned as mine. Fact of the matter is, they simply don't nake that much power without significant investment.

            Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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              Nottsbiker
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              Had this recently with someone telling me my TDR would be dog slow with its DTR cylinder and that his 4FU with 32mm would be a rocket ship. Person seemed unable to comprehend that I didnt really care that much and that its essentially a softly tuned fun / commuter bike that is designed to be reliable and run on basic maintenance only.

              P codes, SP cylinders etc are all good if you have them, can afford them and are that bothered about getting 1 or 2 bhp out of a softly tuned Yamaha engine.

              I've just sold 150bhp Ducati Multistrada so I'm not overly interested in 15 or 20 hp as long as the bike moves and is fun to ride 🙂

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                Calum
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                If I wanted to go silly fast I'd take my ZXR out for a spin 🤣

                Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                  jonne123
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                  Yeah i know that its not a rocket ship. But i hope for little more throttle response and 1-3hp more

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                    @jonne123

                    No disrespect meant from the start! But I’m guessing that you’re about 17 and haven’t ridden a great deal of bikes?
                    Every 125 Has been restricted to about 12bhp since the late 80’s AFAIK. Any bike that is significantly above that has been de-restricted and/or tuned.
                    You can unrestricted early dtr’s by ‘pinning’ the power valve open. This will give you higher bhp but will basically make the throttle an on/off button with terrible response.
                    Later bikes I don’t know as much. You can unrestrict them and the variable power valve will still give you better low rev torque/response (I’m guessing that is what you mean by throttle response?)

                    Do some reading up on deristricting your year model bike, then do some riding. Stop worrying about numbers bud, enjoy a wicked little bike for what it is, before yearning for more...

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                    • J jonne123

                      Yeah i know that its not a rocket ship. But i hope for little more throttle response and 1-3hp more

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                      @jonne123 said in Dt 125r dyno:

                      Yeah i know that its not a rocket ship. But i hope for little more throttle response and 1-3hp more

                      Thats a big increase for a 125

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                        If I wanted to go silly fast I'd take my ZXR out for a spin 🤣

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                        Nottsbiker
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                        @Calum said in Dt 125r dyno:

                        If I wanted to go silly fast I'd take my ZXR out for a spin 🤣

                        Building a 900 Monster this winter for fun at a lower pace 🙂

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                          @jonne123

                          No disrespect meant from the start! But I’m guessing that you’re about 17 and haven’t ridden a great deal of bikes?
                          Every 125 Has been restricted to about 12bhp since the late 80’s AFAIK. Any bike that is significantly above that has been de-restricted and/or tuned.
                          You can unrestricted early dtr’s by ‘pinning’ the power valve open. This will give you higher bhp but will basically make the throttle an on/off button with terrible response.
                          Later bikes I don’t know as much. You can unrestrict them and the variable power valve will still give you better low rev torque/response (I’m guessing that is what you mean by throttle response?)

                          Do some reading up on deristricting your year model bike, then do some riding. Stop worrying about numbers bud, enjoy a wicked little bike for what it is, before yearning for more...

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                          Calum
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                          @SpookDog I believe you could also show your License to Yamaha at time of purchase and they'd fit the YPVS for you. Hence why some came with the valves.

                          The latter models were restricted in other ways and probably came with the valves fitted for emmissions.

                          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                            SpookDog
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                            I did wonder where all the 3 wire servo’s came from. I heard that a 1000 exup had the same servo. Thought that was a 4stroke though.
                            I love learning new shit!

                            Did you mean the 5 wire were emission related? Dunno, I still think they are for improving bottom rev torque. Interesting though...

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                              Off topic. I saw the most beautiful bike ever. It was a Ducati with a ‘space frame’ of steel with about a 750-1000 v twin engine. 80’s looking. I never got a look at the numbers, never had any decals. Cafe racer, clip on looking dream boat!
                              I’d really love to find out what it was...

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                                jonne123
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                                But doesnt better spark and better ypvs map help eith power a little?

                                Bikes i tested

                                Suzuki pv 77cc & 100cc

                                Yamaha 125r

                                70cc derbi

                                yamaha wr 125x

                                Honda monkey 125cc & 74cc

                                Few Scooters

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                                  Darty
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                                  The consensus is a fully de-restricted - Pre 1999 DT125R (Light Generator design) , All the ECU's are unrestricted pre 1999/8 will make around at 18hp stock, only because they rev out to 10,500rpm or so.

                                  Keep it real

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                                    jonne123
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                                    https://tunisti.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Dyno graphs/Vauhtipaivat 2020 Dyno Results/R11.bmp

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                                      How tzr 125 makes 25hp?

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                                        How tzr 125 makes 25hp?

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                                        @jonne123 said in Dt 125r dyno:

                                        How tzr 125 makes 25hp?

                                        Different dyno's read differently and also manufacturers often claim at the crank not back wheel 😉

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                                          So im simple terms its easier to buy another bike.

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                                          @jonne123 kyllä noista detseistä tulee se 25 hepoa täystehosena koneelta. tuo 13 hepoa on kuristuksilla. itellä tuli ehkä joku 27-28 ku oli 170cc, giannelli ja 36 millinen keihini

                                          2̶0̶0̶4̶ ̶D̶T̶1̶2̶5̶R̶E̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶e̶r̶m̶o̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶e̶l̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶1̶7̶0̶c̶c̶ ̶a̶t̶h̶e̶n̶a̶ ̶k̶i̶t̶
                                          1999 YZ250 with a 1999 DTR VIN

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