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Messed up on my build need radiator advice

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  • declanD declan

    @dan28 I'm doing a similar build and 50 rads are very small I think 65 rads are more suited

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    @declan I don't want to end up using a rad that's too small
    I was thinking 2 small ones will equal the size of one dtr rad
    There was a reason I couldn't use the lazna rad

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    • declanD declan

      @dan28 I'm doing a similar build and 50 rads are very small I think 65 rads are more suited

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      @declan said in Messed up on my build need radiator advice:

      @dan28 I'm doing a similar build and 50 rads are very small I think 65 rads are more suited

      What are you building

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        @dan28 dtx engine Inside of an am6 supermoto frame alt text

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          @dan28 dtx engine Inside of an am6 supermoto frame alt text

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          @declan Now that looks very interesting for-sure. ๐Ÿ‘

          SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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            @declan Now that looks very interesting for-sure. ๐Ÿ‘

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            @ninja thanks, it's my first time welding or building anything like this but I'm happy with how it's coming along

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            • declanD declan

              @ninja thanks, it's my first time welding or building anything like this but I'm happy with how it's coming along

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              @declan Start a build thread brah, I'm sure peeps would like to see your skills in action. ๐Ÿ˜‰

              SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                @declan Start a build thread brah, I'm sure peeps would like to see your skills in action. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                @ninja if you see my welds you would think different, maybe when it's running and riding I'll set something up

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                • declanD declan

                  @ninja if you see my welds you would think different, maybe when it's running and riding I'll set something up

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                  @declan looks good
                  You have loads of room if mount the radiator in front instead of at the side

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                    @declan looks good
                    You have loads of room if mount the radiator in front instead of at the side

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                    @dan28 I do without the exhaust it's a right hand radiator frame if I use a standard exhaust I'd have to get a different fuel tank and radiator plus seat set up so I'm going to build a simp me underslung exhaust

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                      @dan28 I do without the exhaust it's a right hand radiator frame if I use a standard exhaust I'd have to get a different fuel tank and radiator plus seat set up so I'm going to build a simp me underslung exhaust

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                      dan28
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                      @declan what about the older exhaust from the lc models that mounts on other side
                      I remember scrim mustang on here saying they can be used on dtr engine that way you can keep the radiator etc
                      By the way can any one measure a lanza radiator for me

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                        @dan28 I have ordered a new one should be here in a few days, I will measure it when it arrives for you.

                        They are tiny though.

                        Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                        • CalumC Calum

                          @dan28 I have ordered a new one should be here in a few days, I will measure it when it arrives for you.

                          They are tiny though.

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                          @calum thanks calum

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                            @calum thanks calum

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                            @dan28 the dtr rad is approx 33cm long an 12 wide
                            I have a gas gas txt rad it's 12 cm wide an approx 20 cm long
                            What are peoples thoughts on this?
                            Too small?

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                              @dan28 I was looking at one of those on ebay,it would likely me okay if room allows adding a radiator fan would help too

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                                @dan28 I was looking at one of those on ebay,it would likely me okay if room allows adding a radiator fan would help too

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                                @declan said in Messed up on my build need radiator advice:

                                @dan28 I was looking at one of those on ebay,it would likely me okay if room allows adding a radiator fan would help too
                                its alot smaller though an the fan for the gas gas rad is expensive even for a used one
                                i need to find out the sizes of the ktm sx 50 rads both together they should be equalivent to the dtr rad i think

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                                  @declan said in Messed up on my build need radiator advice:

                                  @dan28 I was looking at one of those on ebay,it would likely me okay if room allows adding a radiator fan would help too
                                  its alot smaller though an the fan for the gas gas rad is expensive even for a used one
                                  i need to find out the sizes of the ktm sx 50 rads both together they should be equalivent to the dtr rad i think

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                                  @dan28
                                  The manual says that the cooling works by โ€œthermo ~ syphonic action in conjunction with the pumpโ€, but basically when the coolant in the cylinder sleeve is hot enough to actuate the thermostat and open up, the pump will move it. I donโ€™t know any other motor that has the radiator physically above the motor to rely on heat rising through convection ๐Ÿ™„
                                  I guess Iโ€™m saying that Iโ€™d test run it with the rad mounted where you want it and see if it works. As long as the pump moves the coolant I donโ€™t see any problem ๐Ÿ˜
                                  I could be totally wrong though! ๐Ÿ˜œ

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                                    @dan28
                                    The manual says that the cooling works by โ€œthermo ~ syphonic action in conjunction with the pumpโ€, but basically when the coolant in the cylinder sleeve is hot enough to actuate the thermostat and open up, the pump will move it. I donโ€™t know any other motor that has the radiator physically above the motor to rely on heat rising through convection ๐Ÿ™„
                                    I guess Iโ€™m saying that Iโ€™d test run it with the rad mounted where you want it and see if it works. As long as the pump moves the coolant I donโ€™t see any problem ๐Ÿ˜
                                    I could be totally wrong though! ๐Ÿ˜œ

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                                    SpookDog
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                                    More importantly though: where the fuck are the pics of a Dtr engine in a chop frame!! ๐Ÿง Come on Dog!...

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                                      @dan28
                                      The manual says that the cooling works by โ€œthermo ~ syphonic action in conjunction with the pumpโ€, but basically when the coolant in the cylinder sleeve is hot enough to actuate the thermostat and open up, the pump will move it. I donโ€™t know any other motor that has the radiator physically above the motor to rely on heat rising through convection ๐Ÿ™„
                                      I guess Iโ€™m saying that Iโ€™d test run it with the rad mounted where you want it and see if it works. As long as the pump moves the coolant I donโ€™t see any problem ๐Ÿ˜
                                      I could be totally wrong though! ๐Ÿ˜œ

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                                      @spookdog said in Messed up on my build need radiator advice:

                                      @dan28
                                      The manual says that the cooling works by โ€œthermo ~ syphonic action in conjunction with the pumpโ€, but basically when the coolant in the cylinder sleeve is hot enough to actuate the thermostat and open up, the pump will move it. I donโ€™t know any other motor that has the radiator physically above the motor to rely on heat rising through convection ๐Ÿ™„
                                      I guess Iโ€™m saying that Iโ€™d test run it with the rad mounted where you want it and see if it works. As long as the pump moves the coolant I donโ€™t see any problem ๐Ÿ˜
                                      I could be totally wrong though! ๐Ÿ˜œ

                                      If you look at yours the water goes out the bottom rad hose along the metal pipe an to the water pump
                                      The problem I have using the dtr rad the water goes out the bottom hose an then has to travel upwards to the water pump
                                      A smaller radiator mounted higher up would solve the issue an the water would travel down as intended
                                      I m not sure how to add photos on here

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                                        @spookdog said in Messed up on my build need radiator advice:

                                        @dan28
                                        The manual says that the cooling works by โ€œthermo ~ syphonic action in conjunction with the pumpโ€, but basically when the coolant in the cylinder sleeve is hot enough to actuate the thermostat and open up, the pump will move it. I donโ€™t know any other motor that has the radiator physically above the motor to rely on heat rising through convection ๐Ÿ™„
                                        I guess Iโ€™m saying that Iโ€™d test run it with the rad mounted where you want it and see if it works. As long as the pump moves the coolant I donโ€™t see any problem ๐Ÿ˜
                                        I could be totally wrong though! ๐Ÿ˜œ

                                        If you look at yours the water goes out the bottom rad hose along the metal pipe an to the water pump
                                        The problem I have using the dtr rad the water goes out the bottom hose an then has to travel upwards to the water pump
                                        A smaller radiator mounted higher up would solve the issue an the water would travel down as intended
                                        I m not sure how to add photos on here

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                                        @dan28

                                        The pump would still work and draw coolant up, it doesnโ€™t rely on the coolant โ€˜fallingโ€™ down into the pump. Itโ€™s strong enough to lift fluid 2 foot. If it looks good, try it. If not do something that you like the look of!

                                        There is a tutorial on this site for posting pics, if I can suss it you can! I use a phone and imgur (app) to host mine. Do a search, please, it sounds like a wicked build!...

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                                          @dan28

                                          The pump would still work and draw coolant up, it doesnโ€™t rely on the coolant โ€˜fallingโ€™ down into the pump. Itโ€™s strong enough to lift fluid 2 foot. If it looks good, try it. If not do something that you like the look of!

                                          There is a tutorial on this site for posting pics, if I can suss it you can! I use a phone and imgur (app) to host mine. Do a search, please, it sounds like a wicked build!...

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                                          dan28
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                                          @spookdog I would rather it worked as yamaha intended so would like the radiator higher than the water pump
                                          I trail fitted the gas gas radiator it will fit but as it is approx 15cm shorter then there will be less coolant compared compared to how much is in The standard radiator not sure if that's going to be an issue

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