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  • DartyD Offline
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    Darty
    wrote on last edited by Darty
    #15

    You cant run a Domed piston in a 4FU? Wouldn't it hit the head? I've got a 4FU head, and they never came with combustion rings, only 2RK/3BN's?

    A Flat top piston doesn't interfere with your transfer ports as much as a Domed piston, so you can take advantage of scavenging with correct porting and a proper exhaust,

    The 4FU seems to have larger volume crankcase transfers than a 3MB?

    I'm running .6mm squish and a 134cc heavy Top end porting on a 3MB barrel. Looking at 25bhp maximum on 97octane. Most power will be made by the cylinder head itself, the barrel is aiding it along.

    No doubt moving torque, and not that much more of it to very high RPM, will only make you come to be very efficient at going up and down the gearbox quicker to keep the thing in the right rev range.

    Depends what you want from it, i'd say get the ports cleaned up, but don't change the Port timings at all, and just run her standard. These engines don't make power at all like a Rotax!

    I've been bulding a race setup for mine for a while now, yet to know proper results tho

    Keep it real

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    • DartyD Darty

      You cant run a Domed piston in a 4FU? Wouldn't it hit the head? I've got a 4FU head, and they never came with combustion rings, only 2RK/3BN's?

      A Flat top piston doesn't interfere with your transfer ports as much as a Domed piston, so you can take advantage of scavenging with correct porting and a proper exhaust,

      The 4FU seems to have larger volume crankcase transfers than a 3MB?

      I'm running .6mm squish and a 134cc heavy Top end porting on a 3MB barrel. Looking at 25bhp maximum on 97octane. Most power will be made by the cylinder head itself, the barrel is aiding it along.

      No doubt moving torque, and not that much more of it to very high RPM, will only make you come to be very efficient at going up and down the gearbox quicker to keep the thing in the right rev range.

      Depends what you want from it, i'd say get the ports cleaned up, but don't change the Port timings at all, and just run her standard. These engines don't make power at all like a Rotax!

      I've been bulding a race setup for mine for a while now, yet to know proper results tho

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      Calum
      wrote on last edited by
      #16

      @Darty Here was my 4FU

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      As said I don't know natively if it supports domed, but certainly if you removed that ring and reworked the head

      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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        • CalumC Calum

          @Darty Here was my 4FU

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          As said I don't know natively if it supports domed, but certainly if you removed that ring and reworked the head

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          Darty
          wrote on last edited by Darty
          #18

          https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/440/30800032804_7635f2db5c_c.jpg

          https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/431/31525983671_ea3ee375cf_c.jpg

          Mine might have been modified, the crown seems very different. No signs of a heavy skim. it's a closer match to a P' stamped head but with a squish height less than .5, A domed piston would crash into it at that point.

          A base gasket would help, but then you begin to change port timings, not good. I gave up on a 4FU, Nicasil is expensive if you lunch the bore up.

          Keep it real

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          • CalumC Offline
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            Calum
            wrote on last edited by
            #19

            Sorry my bad.

            I have had a few 4FU's and they have all been this way.

            Which is why I said it...

            Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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              wrote on last edited by tdr125greg
              #20

              Another purchase sees the trail tech vapor and indicator dash added to PROJECT TDR.
              I purchased the kit on eBay from Moore speed racing for £150 all in which I thought was a good deal. 🔥🔥

              Any of you guys run the vapor on a tdr/Dt before?

              0_1488293323206_DSC_0017_1.JPG 😀

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              • MightymanM Offline
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                #21

                I always thought replacing my TDR clocks with something like this would look a bit out of place as the stock one moulds nicely into the plastics. Bet theres a big hole there now! 😂

                TDR 125 - 2001

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                • MightymanM Mightyman

                  I always thought replacing my TDR clocks with something like this would look a bit out of place as the stock one moulds nicely into the plastics. Bet theres a big hole there now! 😂

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                  #22

                  @Mightyman I have thought about the same problem but how about 3d printing a new speedo surround then fibre glassing bondo, filler paint to finish ?

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                  • tdr125gregT tdr125greg

                    @Mightyman I have thought about the same problem but how about 3d printing a new speedo surround then fibre glassing bondo, filler paint to finish ?

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                    Mightyman
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                    #23

                    @tdr125greg That is a very nice idea actually! Would be even better if you could save the fussing with fibre glass and just get a snug fit with something 3D printed.

                    TDR 125 - 2001

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                    • F Offline
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                      finnerz89
                      wrote on last edited by finnerz89
                      #24

                      Running a vapour on my DT. Homemade mounting bracket

                      Current bikes:
                      DT125X '07
                      Street Triple R '11
                      Aprilia ETV1000 '02

                      Previous:
                      DR650RSE '96
                      FJ1200 '92

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                        finnerz89
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                        #25

                        https://imgur.com/zi9671n

                        Current bikes:
                        DT125X '07
                        Street Triple R '11
                        Aprilia ETV1000 '02

                        Previous:
                        DR650RSE '96
                        FJ1200 '92

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                        • F finnerz89

                          Running a vapour on my DT. Homemade mounting bracket

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                          tdr125greg
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                          #26

                          @finnerz89 looks tidy mate, how responsive is the Rev meter and do you have the radiator temp sensor or the sensor that goes on the spark plug?

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                            finnerz89
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                            #27

                            Temp sensor that fits inside the radiator fin. I might get one for the plug and wire them through a switch

                            Current bikes:
                            DT125X '07
                            Street Triple R '11
                            Aprilia ETV1000 '02

                            Previous:
                            DR650RSE '96
                            FJ1200 '92

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                            • tdr125gregT tdr125greg

                              Another purchase sees the trail tech vapor and indicator dash added to PROJECT TDR.
                              I purchased the kit on eBay from Moore speed racing for £150 all in which I thought was a good deal. 🔥🔥

                              Any of you guys run the vapor on a tdr/Dt before?

                              0_1488293323206_DSC_0017_1.JPG 😀

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                              Calum
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #28

                              @tdr125greg vapor on my dt and I love it. Makes me feel like I got a spaceship at night with the shift lights flashing in my goggles. Haven't ridden the bike for years but back when I was a kid 🙂

                              Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                              • CalumC Calum

                                @tdr125greg vapor on my dt and I love it. Makes me feel like I got a spaceship at night with the shift lights flashing in my goggles. Haven't ridden the bike for years but back when I was a kid 🙂

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                                tdr125greg
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #29

                                @Calum I'm really looking forward to seeing those shift lights in action

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                                • tdr125gregT tdr125greg

                                  @Calum I'm really looking forward to seeing those shift lights in action

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                                  Mightyman
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #30

                                  @tdr125greg The one I fitted to my MT-03 was SUPER inaccurate with the rev counter... I fitted it to the spark plug wire as the instructions mentioned but at 60mph+ speed the revometer would be all over the place, claiming I needed to shift all the time 😂

                                  TDR 125 - 2001

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                                    finnerz89
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                                    #31

                                    No problems with rev counter on mine, it's wired directly to the coil

                                    Current bikes:
                                    DT125X '07
                                    Street Triple R '11
                                    Aprilia ETV1000 '02

                                    Previous:
                                    DR650RSE '96
                                    FJ1200 '92

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                                    • F finnerz89

                                      No problems with rev counter on mine, it's wired directly to the coil

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                                      Calum
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #32

                                      @finnerz89 Never had any problems with the counter myself.

                                      On my new build it csn be wired directly to the cdi

                                      Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                                      • CalumC Calum

                                        @finnerz89 Never had any problems with the counter myself.

                                        On my new build it csn be wired directly to the cdi

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                                        finnerz89
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #33

                                        @Calum is that with the zeeltronic?

                                        Current bikes:
                                        DT125X '07
                                        Street Triple R '11
                                        Aprilia ETV1000 '02

                                        Previous:
                                        DR650RSE '96
                                        FJ1200 '92

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                                        • F finnerz89

                                          @Calum is that with the zeeltronic?

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                                          Calum
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #34

                                          @finnerz89 Yeah I believe it's the green/yellow wire that will pulse when the ignition fires. So no need to wrap the HT lead you can just wire it directly to the CDI.

                                          I would double check the wiring diagram first mind you.

                                          Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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