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Dt170 vs ktm exc 125

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  • D declan
    30 Oct 2017, 17:54

    @calum so I can get performance cranks which increase compression there’s a few so your saying that with a nice crank re bore and specialist porting I could get pretty impressive figures? I’m obviously and a Bafoon when it comes to this stuff

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    Calum
    wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:36 last edited by
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    @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

    Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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      30 Oct 2017, 18:36

      @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

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      declan
      wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 18:45 last edited by
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      @calum like a dt engine 😁

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      • C Calum
        30 Oct 2017, 18:36

        @declan I'm saying with lots of cash you could achieve anything. But it's pointless at this point as you may as well have bought a better engine.

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        Calum
        wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 21:17 last edited by
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        @declan Like a Rotax engine. Personally.

        I think they're really versatile. Loads of tuning bikes, were used competitively yet have all the features to make them tame for the road. Can be tuned very well, and take lots of power.

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        • C Calum
          30 Oct 2017, 21:17

          @declan Like a Rotax engine. Personally.

          I think they're really versatile. Loads of tuning bikes, were used competitively yet have all the features to make them tame for the road. Can be tuned very well, and take lots of power.

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          NINJA
          wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:05 last edited by
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          @calum Take or Make lots of power ???

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          • I Irongamer727
            30 Oct 2017, 18:23

            @calum listen to this. https://youtu.be/IuAemxWYHLw It is sounding sooooo good. Especially on idle. Love that 2 stroke sound. But, my Dt never sounds like that. With arrow exhaust. Do you need like a fmf shorty to acquire that type of sound?

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            Glynn123
            wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:39 last edited by
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            @irongamer727 That sound is obviously deeper being a 170, but it sounds similar to my Romeu Hendriques system? but ofcourse its alot quieter on my bike haha, I had an old style circular Dep silencer a while ago on my DT and it was very loud and sounded "poppy" like that 170, im pretty sure it had no or very little packing in it haha.
            This is a clip of my bike, sounds better in real life mind
            https://youtu.be/d51-dlxQV8g

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            • N NINJA
              30 Oct 2017, 22:05

              @calum Take or Make lots of power ???

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              Calum
              wrote on 30 Oct 2017, 22:58 last edited by
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              @ninja Take, they TAKE lots of stick. They blow up, sure they are prone to failure. But that's cause people shove loads of power into them lmao!

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              • G Glynn123
                30 Oct 2017, 22:39

                @irongamer727 That sound is obviously deeper being a 170, but it sounds similar to my Romeu Hendriques system? but ofcourse its alot quieter on my bike haha, I had an old style circular Dep silencer a while ago on my DT and it was very loud and sounded "poppy" like that 170, im pretty sure it had no or very little packing in it haha.
                This is a clip of my bike, sounds better in real life mind
                https://youtu.be/d51-dlxQV8g

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                Irongamer727
                wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 06:26 last edited by
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                @glynn123 nice! Guess you have to remove the stuffing completely to make it sound like the 170 video.

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                • I Irongamer727
                  31 Oct 2017, 06:26

                  @glynn123 nice! Guess you have to remove the stuffing completely to make it sound like the 170 video.

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                  Calum
                  wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 11:32 last edited by
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                  @irongamer727 No don't do that. That would sound sh!t

                  Always Originate, Never Pirate!

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                    Darty
                    wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 11:49 last edited by
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                    @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                    but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

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                    Mine sounds really good.

                    Keep it real

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                    • D Darty
                      31 Oct 2017, 11:49

                      @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                      but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

                      alt text

                      Mine sounds really good.

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                      declan
                      wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:00 last edited by
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                      @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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                      • D declan
                        31 Oct 2017, 12:00

                        @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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                        NINJA
                        wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:18 last edited by NINJA
                        #83

                        @declan It's open plan dude, that's all the rage in interior design!!! πŸ˜†

                        SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                        • D Darty
                          31 Oct 2017, 11:49

                          @Irongamer727 No exhaust stuffing is actually counter productive,

                          but, Induction plays an important role in the exhaust note.

                          alt text

                          Mine sounds really good.

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                          Irongamer727
                          wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:26 last edited by
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                          @darty still my Arrow exhaust sounds pretty much the same as stock exhaust.

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                          • D declan
                            31 Oct 2017, 12:00

                            @darty snorkel is doing a great job there bud πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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                            Darty
                            wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 12:39 last edited by
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                            @declan The snorkel still helps to stabilise air flow, even with a Lanza 230 snorkel, You just cant get enough air through it!

                            Airbox is quite restrictive when your tuning these,

                            Keep it real

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                              NINJA
                              wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 19:49 last edited by
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                              I am always confused as to how any air is sucked in with the air box and snorkel system? To me is looks to be pointing in the wrong direction and I always feel that the rider and seat will reduce airflow around that area too. But I guess it is not too restrictive as all bikes perform extremely well with the air box and snorkel set-up. Has anyone tried small air scoops on the side of the air box to draw air into the box at all ???

                              SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE!!!

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                                31 Oct 2017, 19:49

                                I am always confused as to how any air is sucked in with the air box and snorkel system? To me is looks to be pointing in the wrong direction and I always feel that the rider and seat will reduce airflow around that area too. But I guess it is not too restrictive as all bikes perform extremely well with the air box and snorkel set-up. Has anyone tried small air scoops on the side of the air box to draw air into the box at all ???

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                                Calum
                                wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 20:29 last edited by
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                                @ninja Ahem, RAM AIR.

                                Also Aprilia RS125's do this. They take a scoop from the nose cone, and force it into the air box lol.

                                But you can get nasty negative air pressure coefficients that cause adverse effects.

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                                  Glynn123
                                  wrote on 31 Oct 2017, 23:12 last edited by
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                                  I removed my airbox snorkel and upjetted carb, very good sound and possibly abit more power? Not noticeable mind but does sound brilliant.

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                                  • I Irongamer727
                                    30 Oct 2017, 12:02

                                    @scrimsmustang don't think it will win over a wr200 but you're right, they are powerful. I Wonder how Honda manages to squeeze out 30 bhp and how Yamaha only ~20 bhp. Seems odd.

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                                    scrimsmustang
                                    wrote on 2 Nov 2017, 13:36 last edited by scrimsmustang 11 Feb 2017, 14:03
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                                    @irongamer727 said in Dt170 vs ktm exc 125:

                                    @scrimsmustang don't think it will win over a wr200 but you're right, they are powerful. I Wonder how Honda manages to squeeze out 30 bhp and how Yamaha only ~20 bhp. Seems odd.

                                    CRM will piss over the WR200 ive had a fair few 200,s and the Honda would just laugh at the 200, 125 or not.

                                    Poo DT200WR compared to CRM
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                                    Poo WR200R compared to CRM
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                                    Mint CRM125R
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                                    • G Glynn123
                                      31 Oct 2017, 23:12

                                      I removed my airbox snorkel and upjetted carb, very good sound and possibly abit more power? Not noticeable mind but does sound brilliant.

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                                      scrimsmustang
                                      wrote on 2 Nov 2017, 13:43 last edited by
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                                      @glynn123 said in Dt170 vs ktm exc 125:

                                      I removed my airbox snorkel and upjetted carb, very good sound and possibly abit more power? Not noticeable mind but does sound brilliant.

                                      Its the mixture screw and pilot jet you need to tweek when you remove the snorkel on a DTR mostly as they bog down at low rpm due to the air rich mixture, dial it out and you get a lot better low down acceleration.

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                                      • D DTR+NSR
                                        30 Oct 2017, 14:02

                                        I doubt the crm has a genuine 30bhp. I've got a nsr125 with basically the same engine as the crm. Doesn't 'feel' that much faster than my dtr, wether that's just down to the gearing, as the nsr has alot longer legs.

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                                        scrimsmustang
                                        wrote on 2 Nov 2017, 13:46 last edited by
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                                        @dtr-nsr said in Dt170 vs ktm exc 125:

                                        I doubt the crm has a genuine 30bhp. I've got a nsr125 with basically the same engine as the crm. Doesn't 'feel' that much faster than my dtr, wether that's just down to the gearing, as the nsr has alot longer legs.

                                        Is the NSR derestricted properly ? Should pull atleast 110 derestricted

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                                          DTR+NSR
                                          wrote on 2 Nov 2017, 14:35 last edited by
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                                          Yeah, it's a earlier jc20 aswell, which has more aggressive porting than the later jc22 foxeye. Most it's done is just under the ton on the clocks, at the redline in 6th. It's funny cuss in the 125 sports bike world the nsr is regarded as one of the slower bikes. I'd have loved a crm though, just there so thin on the ground.

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