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  • Noob
    CalumC Calum

    With the choke on and it being cold, I'd be reluctant to rev it past 6500.

    The 2000 models were heavily restrictive, so going over it all and ensuring it's full power and healthy would be where I'd start.

    See @scrimsmustang's guide for derstricting.
    https://dt125r.co.uk/topic/3492/yamaha-dt-125-r-derestriction

    Do a compression test, make sure the engine's healthy. Check all the air ways, that the exhaust is free of water/oil. That the airbox is clear and the filter has been changed. Check the carb and jets make sure that they're all clear and not blocked.

    I'd pin the powervalve open for the moment, just to eliminate it from being a problem source. This will drastically reduce power low down, but should rip roar to the red line.

    Welcome New Owners!

  • 4FU and 32mm vs Slightly Ported Athena 170 and stock carb and 290 Jets
    CalumC Calum

    Jetting needs to be done to suit. With the upgrades you're proposing, I doubt it'll be enough for just a main jet. You'll be looking at a needle and idle jets as well.

    It is always my recommendation to jet to suit, I can't help here as I've never ran Athena on the stock carb.

    You will get benefits from a bigger carb, but the TM28 is a decent carb so you can always look to upgrade it later if you feel it's not quite working for you. For context, people tune RD350's with 28mm carbs, so I wouldn't be rushing out to replace yours on a whim.

    I use the TZR 4DL carb (Dellorto VHSA 32mm) on my ported Athena set.

    I run the Romeu Enriques pipe on my DT. It's been absolutely solid, not a spec of rust and I've had it 10+ years.

    The DEP one will rust no matter how hard you clean it. I had great success with both pipes, but I've stuck with the Romeu pipe.

    Top End

  • 4FU and 32mm vs Slightly Ported Athena 170 and stock carb and 290 Jets
    CalumC Calum

    Well the extra CC's definitely helps with wheelie power. The CDI gives it a much need whack up the bum. The DEP not only massively reduces the weight (especially over the front end) but increases midrange.

    The porting work is something else. Porting is almost always a compromise, you don't get something for nothing as they say.

    The 170 does benefit from a port, and I mentioned in another thread, port matching will be required anyway, and the cylinder benefits from have the spigot machine to remove the obstruction into the DTs inlet air waves.

    You do those mods, and you'll have a lovely packing machine, that's for sure!

    Top End

  • 4FU and 32mm vs Slightly Ported Athena 170 and stock carb and 290 Jets
    CalumC Calum

    CDi is an absolute must if you're going modified.

    Having done most things on my DTR, I'd go ported Athena all day long. Stage 2 sounds good to me.

    The extra displacement just gives it a good punch, at the cost of overrev.

    If you're after a fast 125, ditch the DT platform and get yourself an Aprilia RX/MX/SX/RS Rotax bike.

    But if you want a faster DT, then the above is a good option.

    Get the Athena 170, Zeeltronic Ignition and a DEP pipe and you won't be disappointed.

    Bang for buck, a Rotax engine is going to be cheaper, but as I say, if you want to keep the DT, then that's a good option.

    Top End

  • Newbie
    CalumC Calum

    That is really lovely!

    I like the colour scheme and graphics kit on that as well.

    Welcome to the forum :)

    Welcome New Owners!

  • hello everyone
    CalumC Calum

    @hotshot-iii @aragian Gawd! I made the mistake of buying a chinese "racing" coil and that caused me so much grief. A fresh DTR rebuild and I was plagued with running issues which I couldn't get my head around.

    Wasn't until my brother bought his RD 350 and he took it in for a Dyno where the chap refused to run the bike due to the coil and suddenly it hit me!

    Welcome New Owners!

  • CDI help
    CalumC Calum

    I exclusively run Zeeltronics on all of my bikes, but getting genuine CDIs is getting harder to come by.

    I'm amazed you've managed to break so many though, that's almost unheard of.

    Swapping the CDIs is pretty common, the main thing is making sure you get a CDI which supports your powervalve system (either 3 wire or 5 wire units).

    Not all CDIs are equivalent, the 3RM CDIs were decidedly the less restrictive of the pack, but good luck finding one of those these days.

    Electrics

  • hello everyone
    CalumC Calum

    Yeah decent, 450 is a good step up too!

    I must admit, I've had my DT for 15 odd years, so the thought of selling up is unthinkable.

    Such a dependable little machine.

    Welcome New Owners!

  • hello everyone
    CalumC Calum

    Hi @aragian,

    Oh cool, that looks pretty tidy to be fair? That could fetch a nice price, shame you need to sell it for uni and you can't sit on it, as these things are appreciating classics!

    Welcome New Owners!

  • Do I need to use 2-stroke petrol mix or is regular petrol okay?
    CalumC Calum

    Yes your DT will be autolube. If it wasn't... you'd have known by now.

    You'll need to keep an on eye on the two stroke level and refill it as it gets depleted.

    Engine

  • hello forum
    CalumC Calum

    Hi Mohamed,

    That is a cool looking bike you have there.

    I am not too familiar with the newer models as it's not something we get over here and I don't know what performance upgrades are available in your region.

    Definitely like to see more of what you do to the bike though!

    Welcome to the forum.

    Welcome New Owners!

  • Need help identifying DT design year / trim for decals (bike is 2025 production)
    CalumC Calum

    Hello there,

    As far as I was aware the Yamaha DT was discontinued in 2007 instead Yamaha makes rhe WR series.

    That looks like a cool looking bike though, would love to know more about it.

    I take it you're in the Asian market, hence why this is still available. I didn't know that the bike was still being produced there.

    I'd almost argue the bike's styling is closer to the 80's LC model vs the earlier 70's model, with the bike using an aircooled design over the liquid cooled variant.

    Sorry I can't be much more help than that, still cool bike though!

    DTR

  • The Aphrodite Project (Cagiva Planet 125 RD 350 YPVS 421 Conversion)
    CalumC Calum

    @hotshot-iii That's a very cool video and local to me too!

    A crated Banshee, wow what a museum piece.

    I had no affiliation with the Banshee prior to this build, but what a machine and what an era for motorcycling. All lost to time now and kids these days won't know the joys of machines like that.

    Other yamaha banshee 350 athena cagiva

  • The Aphrodite Project (Cagiva Planet 125 RD 350 YPVS 421 Conversion)
    CalumC Calum

    @HOTSHOT-III Yeah and the tuning possibilities for the RD is all thanks to the Americans and the love for the Banshee.

    I just think it's amazing that an engine basically designed in the 60s was used competitively all the way up till today.

    Wow a Banshee new in crate, that's silly! They command good money now for a Banshee.

    Other yamaha banshee 350 athena cagiva

  • Forgot where wires go...
    CalumC Calum

    Sadly Imgur is no longer accessible in the UK. So I am not able to see the photo.

    But in essence, yes the bullet connector for the loom connects to the neutral switch on the gearbox. So using a spade connector and a wire to go to the bullet connector.

    Electrics

  • The Aphrodite Project (Cagiva Planet 125 RD 350 YPVS 421 Conversion)
    CalumC Calum

    Wow, it's really sad how long this project takes to come to fruition...

    Maybe I'm spreading myself too thin with way too many concurrent projects, maybe it's because for the first time in my life I've been doing stuff other than motorbikes/cars, but in any event December saw lots of time off for me and I was able to drag what I've been accumulating out of the wardrobe and start with some head scratching and engine work assembly.

    Banshee/RD 350 Athena 421 Bottom End Assembly

    With that all said, this month I took stock of my inventory and I came to realise that I had virtually all of what I needed to close the crankcases up on my Banshee 350 motor, in preparation of assembling the Athena 392 kit.

    As some of you may know, there is free performance to be made if you port your crankcase's transfers to match the transfer ports on the cylinders. The Yamaha RD 350/Yamaha Banshee engines are notorious for leaving steps in between the transfers for the bottom end and the cylinders. Since I intend to run the Athena Big Bore Kit, this step is even more exacerbated.

    In a nut shell, here I'll be marking out this discrepancy using some Dykem Blue engineering fluid, then scoring a visible outline using my Facom Scribe and then with my die grinder, porting the bottom end to match.

    For reference again, the engine cases I bought were brand new direct from Yamaha. As such this gives a good example of how much, unmolested cases need to be grinded away.

    You can get a rough idea of what needs to be cut by overlaying the gasket over the bottom end and marking out the material that needs cutting out.

    In my cases, I painted on the Dykem Blue and assembled the cylinder to the bottom end. This squished out excess fluid and left a visible line of where the cases meet the cylinder.

    Here I've placed a guitar pick into the location of what we need to cut. There is a visible step here that should be machined away using a die grinder.

    To ease the cutting process, I've washed away any excess Dykem Blue fluid and scribed a distinct line for where I want to cut up to.

    With all the appropriate markings made out, it's time to grab the die grinder and port the bottom end to match.

    I'm using a Rounded Tree Shape gold coated carbide burr. It's coarse flute geometry and titanium nitrate coating prevent the flutes from becoming clogged up and essentially cut through the alumiunium like butter.

    In only a matter of seconds I've roughly cut out the intended shape.

    Care MUST be taken here that you don't go too deep into the trenches. The crankcase walls are pretty thin towards the bottom and therefore care must be taken to avoid porting straight through the cases.

    I've taken a photo here to give you a clear indication of how deep you'll want to aim to go.

    I've gone around and done a rough cut of the desired shape.

    I can quickly overlay the gasket to ensure I'm along the right track.

    Note: The gasket used here is only a basic indication, there are cases where the gasket protrudes into the transfer ports and as such the gaskets need trimming. Therefore the method described above is preferred to get the perfect shape. This is especially true for ported cylinders.

    You can see here a Before/After photo and how now the pick is not being covered by the bottom end transfer ports and now correctly aligns to the cylinder transfers.

    The cases need to be thoroughly cleaned throughout to ensure no swarf is left anywhere.

    These cases can be ported to quite some degree, since this is only running a mild big bore kit, the extent of the transfers needn't be too significant.

    With this out the way, I can now start to assemble the bottom end with all the trick bits I've bought.

    Bottom End Assembly

    Now that the porting work has been completed and the gearbox rebuilt with a taller first gear, it's finally time to assembly the crankcase halves.

    Here the selector drum can be installed along with the dog ears. The selector drum has been modified to aid easier shifting and easier neutral detection. It's a common mod for these engines and involves grinding away at the shift star to make the ramps more pronounced.

    The upper crankcase halves have been installed with lightweight titanium studs.

    The 4mm Hot Rods crank can be installed, along with the straight cut primary gear. New seals throughout and I also acquired/installed new bearing clips that were allegedly tighter tolerances than the OEM ones. Although upon inspection they look much of the muchness to me.

    The gearbox wouldn't be complete without all new bearings throughout, although my bearing was missing the much needed circlip. Luckily I have amassed enough spares in my workshop to salvage a bearing clip from another gearbox.

    Here is the gear on the output shaft which was swapped for the 1st gear conversion.

    Along with the shift star mod, I've also got a modified detent arm (with roller bearing) and shift lever with the cut outs widened to give greater movement to the shifter mechanism.

    All the gears were tested/shifted to ensure correct alignment and engagement.

    The shifter mechanism operates on a cam which needs to be aligned prior to sealing. A relatively simple job once you understand what you're looking for, but easy to overlook. Once the alignment has been done, the locking nut can be tightened.

    Low profile grade 5 titanium bolts are used to affix the baffle plates and bearing retainer. Everything inside this engine is brand spanking new, since I have been building the engine from scratch.

    I've just ordered a Pro Design Billet Stator Plate, not that I'll need it as I plan on running a Zeeltronic ignition system, however it should finish off the bottom end nicely. I also ordered a chinese copy which looked perfectly serviceable.

    I also decided to buy the Pro Design Wicked Cool Billet Head to fit onto my Athena Big Bore kit.

    I still need to get a clutch basket and clutch plates, then my straight cut gears can all be installed and the bottom end completed. This will have to wait a few months as this is quite an expensive item to acquire.

    In order to get the top end assembled I need to ditch the Athena Pistons and order some appropriate ones for the stroker kit.

    Carbon Fibre Moulding

    On a side project, for the panelling on this machine I want a Carbon Fibre tank guard. This really isn't an necessity and I've merely been messing around with various techniques to try get a feel for how hard it would be.

    Initially I started off with a moulding kit, but I ordered an inappropriate amount, failed to fully do the prep work and rushed the process. The result was the mould cracked upon separating.

    Next I instead opted to just do a simple design to better understand the technique. Here I designed a part I wanted for the clutch cover in CAD then 3D printed the part to make a mould from.

    This too failed as I was unable to separate the mould from the part and as a result the whole thing was scrapped. I was starting to grow impatient and finally I decided I'd directly 3D print the mould and then make a carbon fibre part directly from the mould.

    To my surprise, this actually worked out really well (given the low-budgetness of it all), however I was not getting the desired effect. I wanted the lettering to be really pronounced as it is on the original part. However the lettering is feint and is mainly made of the epoxy which fell into the mould and not the carbon fibre.

    I refined the approach, this time creating a mould-press to help form the lettering. I wanted to use a red carbon weave to accent the bikes final "Black" colouring.

    But this again was unsatisfactory and I decided to ditch the lettering and call it a day for that idea and just focus on making a singular part.

    Although the weave got distorted, the part came out better than I expected.

    Sadly, I don't love the result, it actually looks better when the light isn't shining directly on it.

    I am happy with how the part has come out, it's done as a budget part and it has worked to a degree.

    Undeterred, I've given the moulding process another shot to see if I can fair up better. This time making sure I do plenty of prep work and don't rush it.

    Actually pleased to say the moulding has worked! So I now have something that I could potentially make a carbon fibre part from. I know you can get reasonable jobs from this type of setup, I am not looking for perfection here, just something to give the bike a bit of bling would be nice.

    Sadly, I ran out of carbon fibre weave to actually progress with this and I'm not sold I want the red carbon/polyester weave, however I've seen you can get red pigments for the epoxy resin which I may give a go with this mould.

    Conclusion

    Still a LONG way to go, but having the crankcase halves assembled is a huge milestone for this project. I'm hoping that next year I can get the cylinder work completed and the engine closed up. Once this has been done, I'd like a Bitubo steering damper welded to the frame and then the frame and ancillaries can go off for painting. Then it'll be case of rolling the chassis!

    Other yamaha banshee 350 athena cagiva

  • Forgot where wires go...
    CalumC Calum

    The right attaches go the airbox. It's the main power cable. So the positive terminal for the battery attaches to it.

    The one on the left looks like the CDI wires, so attaches to the frame.

    Electrics

  • Yamaha DT 125 R derestriction
    CalumC Calum

    @rich1299 said in Yamaha DT 125 R derestriction:

    Hi I’m looking at de restrictions on my 2007 dt 125

    Could you possibly tell me what I can do to get more power

    Hi @rich1299,

    It's literally described in the last paragraph of the post I made.

    Zeeltronic ignition system gives a big boost to midrange
    DEP system also boost mid range
    VForce Reed block
    Bigger carb
    Athena 170 Kit
    Cylinder porting
    Head squish adjusting
    Lightened flyhweel

    Just to give you some ideas...

    Derestricting

  • Merry Christmas 2025
    CalumC Calum

    Merry Christmas Everyone!

    Wishing you all a very merry Christmas and thanks to all that have contributed to the site.

    Hope you all have a wonderful day doing whatever it is that you do.

    Calum

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  • ā€˜89 DTRE NO SPARK!!
    CalumC Calum

    @raceraidan Let's just focus on the engine at the moment as I am confused as to what you have. If I don't know the engine, then we're going to be chasing a rabbit down a hole here.

    If the engine came from a Gilera originally, then it is not an '89 engine.

    It'll be a DTRE motor that was found in Yamaha's later production run.

    The reason why this is important is because the flywheel on the last revision of engines is inverted. The cranks are different to compensate for this and then so are the stators. Besides the removal of the kickstarter (which can easily be retrofitted) they are identical crankcases/engines. It's only the aforementioned changes.

    Secondly, I am not as familiar with the Gilera side of things, I know the engines are similar to the later DTRE, however the ignition is different.

    A few years ago I couldn't get my DTR running right (turned out to be a Chinese ignition coild, swapped it for genuine and all problems went away) and when trying to diagnose an issue, I tried to source an OEM DTRE CDI, as I run Zeeltronic ignition system and have had the misfortune of having a faulty one in the past.

    RE ignitions have all but dried up (I never should have sold mine) and the only thing I could get my hands on was a Gilera ignition.

    Because the engine's are the same, I thought it was worth a punt, but alas I couldn't even get the engine started with the Gilera ignition and as such we need to understand your engine.

    You fitting a random engine into a random frame is not going to help us identify the problem. So we need to understand the parts you have in order to diagnose.

    There used to be guru's in field like @scrimsmustang who could tell you the engine year from the engine number, unfortunately I don't know how to resolve that, but I can tell you a lot about the engine from some exterior photo shots and whip the generator cover off and get some pics and I'll tell you some more.

    Let's go from there and work our way out.

    Also yes, with regards to the side stand switch, these can be a royal pain in the bum. Years ago my brother had a 2001 DTR and something was wrong with the sidestand switch and looping it out wasn't sufficient, I can't remember if he grounded the wire, but whatever it was, you legit couldn't start the engine with the key in the 'On' position, you had to kick it over and switch the ignition from off to on to get it to fire up.

    So I am weary about the side stand switch.

    The oil light I am not worried about as as far as I know, it doesn't loop back into the CDI, but a Haynes wiring diagram will confirm this. If I go into my workshop at some point I will have a look for you.

    DTRE
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