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  • So Close!...
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    @SpookDog Thermostat definitely worth a look as @Calum said. Also the rad could have a blockage, it's not unheard of. I've had some success on cars blocking off the ends, filling them half full of Gunk/Jizer and giving them a good shake before rinsing with a garden hose. I like doing this on the outside of radiators as well, get loads of degreaser in the fins and it's amazing how much crap you can hose out. And I'd still take a look at the fins particulalrly on the back of the rad as they're prone to being folded over by people doing plug changes etc. which can considerably reduce flow through them. It can be quite relaxing to take a thin screwdriver and straighten every single fin and this can make DTRs run a bit cooler.

    Also have you taken a look at the waterpump? Being a plastic impeller moulded onto a steel shaft it's possible this could have separated meaning it's no longer making the coolant circulate. TBH I've never known this to happen on the DTR but worth checking on a high mileage bike.

    @OllieDTR Has Liam got any wheels for sale? Would be a fairly local solution...

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  • Electrics Problem Maybe CDI
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    @Corswolds89DTR It sounds like someone has put a later electrical system (and possibly engine) in your bike as to my knowledge all 1989 DTRs are either 3MB or 3NC electrical platform, both of which use the 3-wire servo.

    It's a fairly common mod as the later engines are mechanically identical to the '89 onwards and some of the earlier bikes have had their wiring looms butchered over the years, 3-wire servos dying etc.

    The electrical platform that ran the 5-wire servo came along in around 1999, I don't know very much about these having never owned one but if your Haynes manual is the type that covers all DTRs from 1988 to 2007 this is the model/wiring diagram you need to refer to. If your manual only covers the earlier models take a look here:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394118631267?_skw=dt125r+haynes+manual&itmmeta=01JYTRX3H7E124JNTSMMTBR2C3&hash=item5bc34d0f63:g:eEwAAOSwGXxiq26m&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eIah29XoGpBsiWtwJAV9MgEd61gI5Ej6kO5ykBg6ydLxdXW3P8b%2BI0B5u2Q1%2FVqwTdHslAHfiDHUTVZVRd0nEwB%2B3EyEt%2Fqn4nT3bShgiNTKLI4r%2BlwHGHSpqcBqiXi0OaUIzdE4bJuiN7ZaCKMO5%2BpxH2J%2FJeZcxY0yPrgdH2ztTJWsOGRLEAhte%2Fgd6%2FUvLi5uhZhjPtnJ8JooVoKvyNAgnWzF2UBpO6SrrdRQnNiFB%2B9nJBpQ7br0gmifIETpg%3D|tkp%3ABlBMUP649Nj2ZQ

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  • So Close!...
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    @SpookDog Hey bud, hope you're feeling better. I did wonder what had happened to you.

    Good to hear you've sorted the rear suspension 👍

    Try Salisbury Wheel Builders over in Ringwood: https://salisbury-wheel-builders.ueniweb.com/ 01202 081994

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  • The Leviathan Project
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    @Calum Is that a DT200R 3ET swingarm? Very nice, I bought one from Japan and it weighed literally half as much as the DT125R steel version.

    However the plastic mud flap that protects the rear shock wears the (basically priceless) alloy swingarm away at the rear of the linkage bearing over time so it can be helpful to install something to prevent this. A lot of people with modern Huskies, KTMs etc. JB Weld a coin to the surface of the arm as they're prone to it as well.

    I considered all that mud and chain lube floating about to be quite a harsh environment in which to try and glue two pieces of metal together so on my 250EXC I used the plastic sleeve which you get inside one of those boxes of sticky labels they sell in the Post Office cut open and cable tied on. Worked very well and I reasoned when it wears out you can easily make another one, but you might want to come up with a slightly more elegant solution for a road bike lol.

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  • WHERE Do i find a kickstart
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    @RikuRo Try some of the DTR Facebook groups, doing this to the DT125Re is quite a popular modification and some of the sellers will supply you a kit with everything you need.

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  • Do I have to split the cases again?
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    @Bilbo9000 Outstanding, I never thought of doing that! Well done Sir 👍

    Engine

  • Do I have to split the cases again?
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    @Bilbo9000 Sorry to tell you what you really don't want to hear but that spacer fits between the cases and the lower rear engine mount bolt passes through it (items 5 and 6):

    https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4105067/dt125r-3rm5-1993-999-a/crankcase

    Not sure what would happen if you leave this out; it has a rubber vibration damper either side of it (Yambits sell those or item 4) so I think this is to stop the inner parts of the vibration dampers being pulled towards one another when you tighten the bolt. It could potentially also pull the frame mount out of line as without the spacer present, there's nothing to stop you just tightening the bolt more and more. End of the day Yamaha put it there for a reason so I'd bite the bullet and get on and do it.

    If you've just assembled your cases this will test your Anglo-Saxon vocabulary to its absolute limit (as it would mine) but you're not the first and won't be the last mate; archaeologists have found rectangular boulders of the same stone used to build Stonehenge (these were quarried in South Wales) at the bottom of the Bristol Channel so imagine how that guy felt...

    Engine

  • HELP I HAVE A SPARK WHEN IGNITION IS OFF BUT NOT WHEN ON
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    @Marillionado Hi, welcome to the Forum!

    Not very familiar with the 3RM but on the earlier 3NC and 3MB bikes you do need to remove the powder coat where the coil attaches to the frame for a really good earth connection. It's also where the loom earths to the frame (the black ring terminal) and IIRC this attaches at the rearmost (i.e nearest the shock) coil mount. Lastly, only one mounting point on some of the coils is an earth so it's important you mount the coil the correct way, it should look like this:

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  • Lidl 1/4" Drive Bike Torque Wrench
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    As title, Lidl have just got these in, cheaper than most but I've always been impressed with their tools. Useful for all the small stuff on the DTR like coolant drain bolt (10Nm), oil drain bolt (15Nm) and fork and handlebar clamps (23Nm). If your 1/4" drive socket set has a universal joint you can use it to do all all 5 cylinder head nuts with the engine in situ as well:

    https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/crivit-bike-torque-wrench/p10026677

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  • The Aphrodite Project (Cagiva Planet 125 RD 350 YPVS 421 Conversion)
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    @Calum That kit looks ace, I've never seen one of those before.

    Spare a thought for the man somewhere in Europe on one of the TDR250 Facebook pages who tried to make it 340cc using two Athena DTR 170 kits. Barrel stud locations slightly different on the TDR crankcases so he filed them out to match, and then he noticed they were too wide to mount side by side. His solution? Just machine off the offending water jackets from the inside of both cylinders, then plug the holes with a whole packet of JB Weld. This was a few years ago so not sure where that bike is now...

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  • Seized rear suspension relay arm nut removal hack
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    @SpookDog Yes you could install grease nipples on the swingarm and linkage, might be easier because all you'd really need is a set of M6 taps. It would work exactly the same as the one in the roller bearing bush as you say.

    I never got any of those sleeves drilled as every time I did the rear linkage job on a DTR I always found the sleeves aren't very prone to wear, two or three times IIRC I measured the OEM ones that came out with a digital vernier, found them to be almost exactly 20mm OD and just re-used them and replaced the bushes.

    I always just used NLGI2 Lithium grease off eBay, it's the same spec as Silkolene Pro RG2 but a lot cheaper (it's also the same colour which kind of points to where Silkolene get it from lol).

    Suspension

  • Seized rear suspension relay arm nut removal hack
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    @SpookDog There is a complete linkage repair kit on eBay that reconditions all 3 pivots but this is the one I was saying you'll need to get the long tubes drilled in order to grease them externally. Apart from that it's excellent quality and fits very well:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273964244490?_skw=dt125r+linkage+repair+kit&itmmeta=01JNS8GP47RXBRY3388JTDD77P&hash=item3fc98a9e0a:g:QeIAAOSwejlmIRnp&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAABAFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ewok0zvqvvsjaaesI%2B3AqBrNzJsMtN%2ByfXZjyUIUUXfj6QoCMC13skvVzLiqG%2FH%2F9tbxdIjH%2B4atRlor7FzTWzGMpxOzPLgwpWCAZ%2BsYD23e%2FVBR3dWDx4fm4J8E8GmosgW9fdd67Bv%2BTCogYvcKlITQftiOe0zTVTJE1LT3aL5vS0qIojINIgvTN26rq%2FHC1mQgSUVuPxjHprHzZZZLrHBay7eg6unKoC1l1ZETeZwamUAwvHK0789UP%2FcuJuCq8d%2FeKNbtq%2Bu1J%2B%2BxqoY5EHFq87Q0cyo76L7apLVo80bDYNTtniwioOGYH0%2BlqLdDs%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7jiwqiuZQ

    Only other thing you might need is the bolt/nut where the linkage joins the frame; this is no longer available but as long as you can get it out it's solid enough to clean up. Just try to resist whacking it as there's a good chance it will knacker the thread, the studding method gets them out clean. Long linkage bolts are still available but special order from Japan:

    https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4163783/dt125r-3rmj-2000-050-a/rear-arm

    Suspension

  • Seized rear suspension relay arm nut removal hack
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    @SpookDog Hey bud, didn't think I'd seen you on here for a while 👍

    You can remove the relay arm without taking the swingarm out, and at both ends of the dogbones there are just plain bushes (the needle roller bearings go where the relay arm attaches to the frame). However at the upper end of the dogbone the bushes are in the swingarm so if you have the time, I personally would take it out which will make the job a lot easier, and it's also a great time to replace the swingarm bearings and set the swingarm side clearance if you haven't done this already.

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    This guarantees perfect chain/sprocket alignment and without the rear wheel/linkage fitted, you can get the arm to fall under its own weight with <1mm side-to-side play even with the swingarm pivot bolt fully tightened. A lot of the "specialist DTR restorers" on Facebook etc. miss this step but it makes a huge difference to the bike's handling and chain/sprocket life.

    From memory I think I always just drifted the linkage bushes out with a hammer and punch, and pressed the new ones in in the vice using a socket. Same goes for the needle roller bearings except I pressed these out as well, and be sure to take out the grease nipple first otherwise the outer cage of the roller bearing will vandalise the protruding end of its thread as it goes past.

    The linkage bolts with grease nipples shouldn't be worn at all because assuming they're done up tight with the linkage assembled correctly, they, the bearing sleeves and the dogbones form a rigid sub-assembly and so should never move relative to one another.

    If you've bought the eBay linkage repair kit, unfortunately the long inner sleeves (i.e the tubes which fit between the linkage bolts and bushes) lack the 2mm holes necessary to allow greasing of the pivots via the grease nipples. It's well worth getting these drilled as it makes a massive difference to how long the bushes last if you keep re-greasing them. I say get them drilled because I think they're case-hardened; I once tried doing it myself on a pillar drill and even using a cobalt drill bit set that cost me 50 quid in Screwfix, I couldn't make any impression on them so this needs doing by some engineering firm somewhere.

    If you have double-lipped seals from Simply Bearings etc., another hack you can do when assembling the linkage/relay arm is to flip the seals so the garter spring faces outwards away from the bearing; the lip without the spring is just a dust wiper so you can then cut small sections out of this with Swiss Army Knife scissors (best/sharpest scissors I've ever used) or one of those leather punches so when you re-lube the linkage bearings with a grease gun, the hydraulic pressure is less likely to force the seals out. The grease is free to pass through the gaps in the dust seal lip (now on the inside) and lift up the lip with the garter spring in its bid for freedom! The sprung lip then retracts, retaining enough grease inside the bearing and keeping dirt out.

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    If like me you're ham-fisted with the grease gun, it will still try and force out the seals so you can also hacksaw a section out of an M20 x 3mm washer and insert it in the gap between the tiebars and the arm during greasing to prevent this (with the linkage bolted together and the seals where they should be, you can actually move the tiebar/sleeve assembly 2-3mm side to side; useful after you've greased up everything as you can move it fully each way to make it splodge the excess grease away from the bearings/seals, then clean it all off thoroughly to prevent any getting on the rear tyre).

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    Lastly I'd also replace the lower rear shock bushing as this usually wears before any of the actual linkage bearings. It's held in the shock by two of those PITA C-clips and IIRC I destroyed a Lidl precision screwdriver set getting them out (mind your eyes as the speed one of mine flew out, I think explains why the Northern Lights were visible over Dorset that time). This one fits the DTR:

    https://www.mandp.co.uk/products/29-5027-lower-rear-shock-bearing-kit-605946

    All sounds like a lot of work I know but being able to externally grease up the rear suspension is one of the greatest features of the DTR, done like this you can just ride the bike week in week out, 10 minutes with the grease gun every week or two and you'll probably pass next year's MOT without even having to look at this again.

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  • Happy New Year 2025
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    Happy New Year everyone, agreed it's important to keep the Forum alive as the DT125R is IMO one of Yamaha's greatest achievements, I'll be here in 2025!!

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  • Merry Christmas 2024
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    @Calum Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!

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  • Yamaha Dt125 float height
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    @Camugica No worries 👍

    The DT125R TM28SS uses a mixture screw instead of an air jet, it's the brass one on the left of the carb body just in front of the carb-to-airbox rubber (below the idle screw). Normal starting point with a healthy engine is around 1.5 turns out from fully screwed in. Screw it in further to richen the low-speed mixture or unscrew it more to make it leaner. There should also be a spring, washer and O-ring on the screw (in this order) so it's well worth checking this if you're having low-rpm running problems. The screw is prone to seizing on the DTR carb so whilst it's removed smear some copper grease on the threads.

    Some other Yamahas use the TM28SS with an air jet instead of a mixture screw like the TZR/TDR250 and DT200R 3ET (I think).

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  • Yamaha Dt125 float height
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    @Camugica 15.5 - 16.5mm on the TM28SS.

    Carburetor

  • The Dionysus Project (Aprilia ETX 125 Rotax 122)
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    @Calum Shame this has happened to you buddy. I once saw an Aprilia Tuareg 125 Rally (twin headlights/massive fuel tank/centrestand for fast enduro wheel changes) parked outside my local Lidl in a manner that would suggest it was owned by someone working there whilst doing their A-Levels etc.

    https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/aprilia/aprilia-tuareg-125-rally-90.html

    It was literally falling apart; quite upsetting as I always wanted one. Italian 125s are night and day ahead of Japanese ones on spec/performance but you really need to give them a wallow in WD40/copper grease from new to protect them from British winters and that is beyond the understanding of most teenage owners.

    That being said, I bet if you had a holiday in southern Italy you could pretty easily locate a corrosion-free ETX125 frame or two, bring them back and get them straight down the powder coaters...

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  • Asclepius Project (On-One Ti29er Inbred Lynskey)
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    @Calum Ace build mate, I don't really know anything about On One bikes but that frame looks beautiful. And I've always liked eXotic, I ran a set of those rigid forks in a 26" fitness/road MTB I built a few years ago.

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